Expensive Goodwood Crash Today

[7/11]

Furyblade_Lee said:

The revival is 100% focused on the racing make no mistake, 90% of the drivers are trying their hardest BUT wary they are driving historically important vehicles and SHOULD keep body contact to a minimum / nil. Not sure if you are aware the Friday is qualifying and not racing?? Thats why it looked like they were'nt racing, they actually were'nt!!Except for the last session, wich actually was a race. If that makes sense. If you buy and watch the Revival DVD when it's released, you will probobly see more real "racing" that the entire F1 season.

The Revival is 50% focused on racing, the balance is parades, air displays, marching bands, speeches, church service, pedal car racing etc etc
Sadly the racing upon which the Revival was built is getting squeezed out.

[Fantuzzi]

pixelpimp said:

Vocal Minority said:

Ouch. Those 250f's will be worth what? £1.25 mill each. Not cheap to fix. What sort of cash do Lotus 16s/18s fetch?

I think it is good to see the cars still be used as the designers intended.

It's all a bit academic when people quote what an historic racing car is worth when it's been crashed as it's worth the same money before or after the crash
A £22 million pound GTO is still worth £22 million as it's the chassis number and paperwork that carry the value.
The rest is just tin and paint.
I doubt there was a single 8C Alfa on the grid that didn't have a brand new Jims Stokes engine/chassis/body.

Classic driver have a 250 GTO body for 100k.

http://www.classicdriver.com/uk/find/4100_results....

Im pretty sure crashes affect the value. Ive often seen RM auctions state the car has only had external damage in crashes from years ago, or even stating that the car has never been crashed.

[Fantuzzi]

Dan Friel said:

SlipStream77 said:

Fantuzzi said:

fatboy69 said:

What was the white car?

Im worried its a Maserati 151...

I thought it was a Lister, but I think you're right.

Here's the car last year, Derek Hill never got to race it this year..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KssO1bX8Gwk

You need to drive it with one hand, if you drive it witgh two you crash....

Shame, half glad I didnt go after that, wouldnt want to cry infront of people...

[chevronb37]

7/11 said:

Furyblade_Lee said:

The revival is 100% focused on the racing make no mistake, 90% of the drivers are trying their hardest BUT wary they are driving historically important vehicles and SHOULD keep body contact to a minimum / nil. Not sure if you are aware the Friday is qualifying and not racing?? Thats why it looked like they were'nt racing, they actually were'nt!!Except for the last session, wich actually was a race. If that makes sense. If you buy and watch the Revival DVD when it's released, you will probobly see more real "racing" that the entire F1 season.

The Revival is 50% focused on racing, the balance is parades, air displays, marching bands, speeches, church service, pedal car racing etc etc
Sadly the racing upon which the Revival was built is getting squeezed out.

I'm not sure I'd agree. I watched every practice session and every race and then did a quick run-around the stalls/paddocks/ephemera in the evenings. It is by far the best historic racing event I've ever been to - and that includes the giants of Monaco and Le Mans. The grids, drivers and actual racing is superb. Lloyd and his team have the clout to get together so many amazing cars and drivers. I was fortunate to be at Spa and Monza the weekends preceeding Goodwood and still rate the Revival as the pick of the bunch, just because the cars are so wonderful and the racing so close.

Oh and who else could get 10 Mercedes and Auto Unions being driven properly on track together? Genuine goosebumps moments each day.

[Vocal Minority]

Fantuzzi said:

pixelpimp said:

Vocal Minority said:

Ouch. Those 250f's will be worth what? £1.25 mill each. Not cheap to fix. What sort of cash do Lotus 16s/18s fetch?

I think it is good to see the cars still be used as the designers intended.

It's all a bit academic when people quote what an historic racing car is worth when it's been crashed as it's worth the same money before or after the crash
A £22 million pound GTO is still worth £22 million as it's the chassis number and paperwork that carry the value.
The rest is just tin and paint.
I doubt there was a single 8C Alfa on the grid that didn't have a brand new Jims Stokes engine/chassis/body.

Classic driver have a 250 GTO body for 100k.

http://www.classicdriver.com/uk/find/4100_results....

Im pretty sure crashes affect the value. Ive often seen RM auctions state the car has only had external damage in crashes from years ago, or even stating that the car has never been crashed.

Yeah I know it is a bit academic really. But make good headlines.

[david_b]

Fiscracer said:

Furyblade_Lee said:

I was there of Friday to watch to qualifying sessions, was some expensive accidents.. Unforgivably, two were binned on the out-lap, don't care who was driving someone elses expensive toy, there is no need to crash on the out lap! Total wrecks too. I would love to see them explaining that to the owners. I think the Brundle crash was the red Cobra, he had parked it up then another car lost control and stoved into it. Quality racing though, but it was a shame as some of the incidents looked a little uneccesary.

I'm afraid Mr Brundle lost it in the green Cobra owned by Bill and Andy Shepherd and piled into the parked Bryant Cobra GPG. Bill is not a happy bunny.

This was the aftermath of Brundle's crash on Friday:


Goodwood Revival 2012 by david_b, on Flickr

[woof]

Furyblade_Lee said:

woof said:

Popped by on Friday - but seems that the revival is more focused on fancy dress than the motorsport, which is fine if you like dressing up in vintage gear.

Air displays were great though.

Hats off to Goodwood for putting on the event. Just don't think I'll bother with it again.

Edited by woof on Monday 17th September 17:55

The revival is 100% focused on the racing make no mistake, 90% of the drivers are trying their hardest BUT wary they are driving historically important vehicles and SHOULD keep body contact to a minimum / nil. Not sure if you are aware the Friday is qualifying and not racing?? Thats why it looked like they were'nt racing, they actually were'nt!!Except for the last session, wich actually was a race. If that makes sense. If you buy and watch the Revival DVD when it's released, you will probobly see more real "racing" that the entire F1 season.

Hey Furyblade_Lee - yes I'm aware of what the format is - I've been racing for 10 years plus and know many of the drivers who were racing over the weekend
My comment isn't aimed at the racing - it's aimed at the event. Alot of people seem more interested in dressing up in the vintage clothing, which is great for them. Not for me.

[Fantuzzi]

david_b said:

Fiscracer said:

Furyblade_Lee said:

I was there of Friday to watch to qualifying sessions, was some expensive accidents.. Unforgivably, two were binned on the out-lap, don't care who was driving someone elses expensive toy, there is no need to crash on the out lap! Total wrecks too. I would love to see them explaining that to the owners. I think the Brundle crash was the red Cobra, he had parked it up then another car lost control and stoved into it. Quality racing though, but it was a shame as some of the incidents looked a little uneccesary.

I'm afraid Mr Brundle lost it in the green Cobra owned by Bill and Andy Shepherd and piled into the parked Bryant Cobra GPG. Bill is not a happy bunny.

This was the aftermath of Brundle's crash on Friday:


Goodwood Revival 2012 by david_b, on Flickr

Is the event for pro racers only?

Because if I had 2million to spend on a car, I eould just invest in some track tutition and race it myself, at least then if you crash it its your fault, and you had a blast in the process!

[shoestring7]

woof said:

Furyblade_Lee said:

woof said:

Popped by on Friday - but seems that the revival is more focused on fancy dress than the motorsport, which is fine if you like dressing up in vintage gear.

Air displays were great though.

Hats off to Goodwood for putting on the event. Just don't think I'll bother with it again.

Edited by woof on Monday 17th September 17:55

The revival is 100% focused on the racing make no mistake, 90% of the drivers are trying their hardest BUT wary they are driving historically important vehicles and SHOULD keep body contact to a minimum / nil. Not sure if you are aware the Friday is qualifying and not racing?? Thats why it looked like they were'nt racing, they actually were'nt!!Except for the last session, wich actually was a race. If that makes sense. If you buy and watch the Revival DVD when it's released, you will probobly see more real "racing" that the entire F1 season.

Hey Furyblade_Lee - yes I'm aware of what the format is - I've been racing for 10 years plus and know many of the drivers who were racing over the weekend
My comment isn't aimed at the racing - it's aimed at the event. Alot of people seem more interested in dressing up in the vintage clothing, which is great for them. Not for me.

One of the best things about the Revival is that while there's plenty going on for those not terribly interested in old racing cars, just a few feet away some of the world's most competitive historic racing by some of the best old car drivers in the world is going on. The races on Sunday were without exception nail biters, dices for the lead and throughout the field, and some incredible car control on display.

Perhaps you should have left the champagne tent and headed out to the country for Friday evening's 90 minute dusk race.

SS7

[david_b]

Fantuzzi said:

Is the event for pro racers only?

Because if I had 2million to spend on a car, I eould just invest in some track tutition and race it myself, at least then if you crash it its your fault, and you had a blast in the process!

The Shelby Cup was a driver change race, I think for a lot of the cars the owner shared with a celeb driver - Brundle's crash was right at the end of the practise session, so although it's not much compensation at least the co-driver got a chance to drive it too!

[woof]

shoestring7 said:

woof said:

Furyblade_Lee said:

woof said:

Popped by on Friday - but seems that the revival is more focused on fancy dress than the motorsport, which is fine if you like dressing up in vintage gear.

Air displays were great though.

Hats off to Goodwood for putting on the event. Just don't think I'll bother with it again.

Edited by woof on Monday 17th September 17:55

The revival is 100% focused on the racing make no mistake, 90% of the drivers are trying their hardest BUT wary they are driving historically important vehicles and SHOULD keep body contact to a minimum / nil. Not sure if you are aware the Friday is qualifying and not racing?? Thats why it looked like they were'nt racing, they actually were'nt!!Except for the last session, wich actually was a race. If that makes sense. If you buy and watch the Revival DVD when it's released, you will probobly see more real "racing" that the entire F1 season.

Hey Furyblade_Lee - yes I'm aware of what the format is - I've been racing for 10 years plus and know many of the drivers who were racing over the weekend
My comment isn't aimed at the racing - it's aimed at the event. Alot of people seem more interested in dressing up in the vintage clothing, which is great for them. Not for me.

One of the best things about the Revival is that while there's plenty going on for those not terribly interested in old racing cars, just a few feet away some of the world's most competitive historic racing by some of the best old car drivers in the world is going on. The races on Sunday were without exception nail biters, dices for the lead and throughout the field, and some incredible car control on display.

Perhaps you should have left the champagne tent and headed out to the country for Friday evening's 90 minute dusk race.

SS7

LOL - i did exactly that
Al Buncombe drove a great race - fastest lap as well i think
I like the racing - not so much the fancy dress element - that is all

[pixelpimp]

While I still enjoy the event, I am saddened by the way it is turning into another Festival of Greed, overly corporate and too many fences and white characterless marquees.
If you look from Lavant back towards the pits, all you can see is Silverstone style white tents.

[chevronb37]

Still struggling to see any great problems here. From Madgwick to Woodcote is clear, unobstructed spectating, without catch fencing. It's quiet and the cars are at their most spectacular through Madgwick, Fordwater, No Name, St Mary's and Lavant. For watching historic racing - and photographing historic racing - it is without equal in my experience. Treated thus, the dressing up is a sideshow for those of that persuassion. As a motor racing enthusiast I can't see how anyone could fail to be moved by Saturday's Whitsun Trophy. The spectacle of five top-line early Group 7 cars being driven by drivers of the calibre of Pearson, Goodwin, Wills, Esterer and Hadfield over the country's most challenging race circuit was just incredible. That is the Revival's soul, not tweed jackets.

[Simes205]

chevronb37 said:

Still struggling to see any great problems here. From Madgwick to Woodcote is clear, unobstructed spectating, without catch fencing. It's quiet and the cars are at their most spectacular through Madgwick, Fordwater, No Name, St Mary's and Lavant. For watching historic racing - and photographing historic racing - it is without equal in my experience. Treated thus, the dressing up is a sideshow for those of that persuassion. As a motor racing enthusiast I can't see how anyone could fail to be moved by Saturday's Whitsun Trophy. The spectacle of five top-line early Group 7 cars being driven by drivers of the calibre of Pearson, Goodwin, Wills, Esterer and Hadfield over the country's most challenging race circuit was just incredible. That is the Revival's soul, not tweed jackets.

+1

Been going for the last 12 years - get yourself around the back of the circuit away from the crowds.
A fantastic day out.

[darreni]

david_b said:

This was the aftermath of Brundle's crash on Friday:


Goodwood Revival 2012 by david_b, on Flickr

Whats the deal when this sort of thing happens?
Is it a case of "you bend it, you mend it", or does the owner shrug it off as one of those things?

[RichB]

Eric Mc said:

Every year Goodwood produces a list of expensive repair bills. I assume all the owners enter their cars full well in the knowledge that their pride and joys may get a bit bashed over the weekend.

Indeed Eric, to the extent that having 'Raced at Goodwood' in a car's portfolio adds somewhat to the value thus balancing this out. Owners want high profile drivers to race their cars so must take the possibility of a prang into account.

[onyx39]

Mr Senna said:

One of the cars/drives of the day was a BMW700!!!!

Until he pushed too hard trying to get the lead over a MK2 Jag.

That BMW was awesome, tiny engine too (800ccs iirc)

[Eric Mc]

RichB said:

Indeed Eric, to the extent that having 'Raced at Goodwood' in a car's portfolio adds somewhat to the value thus balancing this out. Owners want high profile drivers to race their cars so must take the possibility of a prang into account.

True - how many For Sale ads for historic racers today show the car wending its way through the Goodwood Chicane.

[DJRC]

Life Saab Itch said:

Simes205 said:

The AM project 212 crashed after madgewick today in the RAC race, right where we were standing. No one was hurt.

Didn't this crash heavily to write off status a few years ago too?

Oh yes. Its been pranged at modern Goodwood at least twice, 214 pranged aswell.

The vintage dressing up isnt for my lot either and can get a little ittitating for me, but it all helps to "sell" the event. Its all part of the carnival.

For us, the Revival is all about the racing and the flying. Oh and camels, after this year I feel camels are now a must have accessory at Goodwood Cue Tony Brooks this yr..."Why is there a bloody camel crapping outside the drivers tent?"

Edited by DJRC on Wednesday 19th September 08:18

[shoestring7]

woof said:

shoestring7 said:

woof said:

Furyblade_Lee said:

woof said:

Popped by on Friday - but seems that the revival is more focused on fancy dress than the motorsport, which is fine if you like dressing up in vintage gear.

Air displays were great though.

Hats off to Goodwood for putting on the event. Just don't think I'll bother with it again.

Edited by woof on Monday 17th September 17:55

The revival is 100% focused on the racing make no mistake, 90% of the drivers are trying their hardest BUT wary they are driving historically important vehicles and SHOULD keep body contact to a minimum / nil. Not sure if you are aware the Friday is qualifying and not racing?? Thats why it looked like they were'nt racing, they actually were'nt!!Except for the last session, wich actually was a race. If that makes sense. If you buy and watch the Revival DVD when it's released, you will probobly see more real "racing" that the entire F1 season.

Hey Furyblade_Lee - yes I'm aware of what the format is - I've been racing for 10 years plus and know many of the drivers who were racing over the weekend
My comment isn't aimed at the racing - it's aimed at the event. Alot of people seem more interested in dressing up in the vintage clothing, which is great for them. Not for me.

One of the best things about the Revival is that while there's plenty going on for those not terribly interested in old racing cars, just a few feet away some of the world's most competitive historic racing by some of the best old car drivers in the world is going on. The races on Sunday were without exception nail biters, dices for the lead and throughout the field, and some incredible car control on display.

Perhaps you should have left the champagne tent and headed out to the country for Friday evening's 90 minute dusk race.

SS7

LOL - i did exactly that
Al Buncombe drove a great race - fastest lap as well i think
I like the racing - not so much the fancy dress element - that is all

Ah, I think I saw you. You were wearing the only orange McLaren Kimi baseball cap for 50 miles around.

SS7