Anyone else worried about F1?
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If Sky F1 wasn’t included in the sports package I wouldn’t pay for it to be separate.
Overtakes taking place in the pits rather than on the track and tyres being critical means it has got too technical and nerdy for most. Cant see how it appeals to kids now especially as it’s not on free to air.
At least we grew up forced to watch it on a Sunday as there was naff all else to watch or do.
Overtakes taking place in the pits rather than on the track and tyres being critical means it has got too technical and nerdy for most. Cant see how it appeals to kids now especially as it’s not on free to air.
At least we grew up forced to watch it on a Sunday as there was naff all else to watch or do.
Daston said:
They said there has been tests and with hydrogen you can have refuelling as they ruled swapping battery packs was not allowed as you would be effectivly changing the power unit.
What did suprise me was Toyota already has a hydrogen car for sale
They do! It's a statement car for Toyota though, they lose money on every one they sell. Honda have a working car from about ten years ago but I don't think it ever went into production. I think their first working prototype was 25 years ago! That's the extent to which hydrogen cars are stalled by high production costs.What did suprise me was Toyota already has a hydrogen car for sale
Thing is.. it doesn't actually make sense for a car to carry around the weight and size of an onboard power supply. Or rather, it wont do in the future when batteries are smaller, higher capacity and fast to charge. And the battery tech (solid state) is getting all the investment right now. Tens of billions a year. So in the end, the hydrogen car will probably never really have it's day.
Daston said:
What did suprise me was Toyota already has a hydrogen car for sale
So do Hyundai from memory. Sadly lack of infrastructure is an issue, but this is supposedly being addressed by government. Its a chicken and egg situation, without the cars there is no incentive to build the refuelling stations, but without the refuelling stations nobody will buy the cars. California has enough to make it viable, and several universities in the UK have hydrogen pumps.
Condi said:
So do Hyundai from memory.
Sadly lack of infrastructure is an issue, but this is supposedly being addressed by government. Its a chicken and egg situation, without the cars there is no incentive to build the refuelling stations, but without the refuelling stations nobody will buy the cars. California has enough to make it viable, and several universities in the UK have hydrogen pumps.
I think that was the chicken and egg situation with battery powered electric cars too, for a very, very, very long time. But in the end battery power has won industry and political backing.Sadly lack of infrastructure is an issue, but this is supposedly being addressed by government. Its a chicken and egg situation, without the cars there is no incentive to build the refuelling stations, but without the refuelling stations nobody will buy the cars. California has enough to make it viable, and several universities in the UK have hydrogen pumps.
Hydrogen energy does still make sense, if it can be made easier to scale up. But it makes sense as a power station used to power homes, and charge the batteries of cars. Building and fitting a dedicated power station per car just doesn't make sense.
The only reason hydrogen fuel cell tech ever gained momentum is that it was first proved to work at a time when batteries to achieve a reasonable range would have been heavier than putting the hydrogen power unit in the car itself. Now that's not true anymore.
When you think about it... The whole world is waiting and desperate for higher capacity, faster charging batteries - not just for cars. That's where the interest and investment is.
Fundoreen said:
Having just struggled through another Formula E race as far as the spectacle and the ability to cover what's going on Formula 1 is light years ahead.
Which is exactly why I believe when all racing is electric, Formula E will lose it's purpose to exist and F1 will take over. F1 has the history and the huge fan base. FE is there to explore the new tomorrow ahead of current F1 fans being comfortable accepting it. But as soon as it is generally excepted, F1 will make the jump to electric. In the same way it went to hybrid.I find it impossible to believe when most new cars sold are electric, that the 'pinnacle of motor sport' will continue to run around with ICE cars.
When that inevitable stage is reached, and F1 switches to electric, I can't believe that Formula E can possibly compete. Formula E is just a stop gap solution, in the same way the Toyota Prius came ahead of full electric cars.
_Leg_ said:
Car focused You Tube channels, largely aimed at under 25s, have huge subscriber numbers. F1 will, I believe, become pure entertainment and be less focused on tech that gets into cars (formula E will take that over) but that’s a good thing.
I think our passion for Motorsport and cars is safe.
I agree with this.I think our passion for Motorsport and cars is safe.
In it's most exciting era's when was F1 relevant to everyday cars and commuting ?
The closest I ever got was Niki Lauda's 312 sharing the same wing mirror as my 308.
That was more than enough
Anthony Joshua has little relevance to the average bloke in the street, but he is great box office. That's all that matters
Fortunately, the next 10-years is looking OK.
https://www.motorsportweek.com/joesaward/id/00477
Everything looks very sensible - now it just needs to be signed-off by all parties.
https://www.motorsportweek.com/joesaward/id/00477
Everything looks very sensible - now it just needs to be signed-off by all parties.
rdjohn said:
Fortunately, the next 10-years is looking OK.
https://www.motorsportweek.com/joesaward/id/00477
Everything looks very sensible - now it just needs to be signed-off by all parties.
I hadn't realised they were going to bring the budget cap in next year - I thought it was planned for 2021...https://www.motorsportweek.com/joesaward/id/00477
Everything looks very sensible - now it just needs to be signed-off by all parties.
Anyway, the figures seem OK. I'm sure some teams will be very pleased indeed!
If F1 goes pay for view then it could well just go out of fashion in 10 years time.
My opinion in recent years is the organisers have chased new audiences (and money) in new markets but those have mostly proven fruitless and have actually helped to drive away loyal fans as the races have been removed from track in their countries.
My opinion in recent years is the organisers have chased new audiences (and money) in new markets but those have mostly proven fruitless and have actually helped to drive away loyal fans as the races have been removed from track in their countries.
Jonnny said:
F1 should be about flat out racing, no tyre limits, no fuel saving.
Whilst the need to apply this has varied in its degrees over the years, conservation of consumables has always been a part of F1, indeed as it has in any other formula you care to mention save Banger Racing and sprints.As Alain Prost said, racing is about winning at the slowest possible speed.
Eric Mc said:
I actually think that the future of motorsport is the past i.e. historic racing.
The air display circuit has gone that way. 40 years ago, air shows largely consisted of mostly in-service military aircraft. Today, the air show scene is dominated by historic warbirds.
I agree. My kicks will come from historic racing. Goodwood FOS & Revival, Silverstone Classic and the Boss GP series (I can see this growing in popularity)The air display circuit has gone that way. 40 years ago, air shows largely consisted of mostly in-service military aircraft. Today, the air show scene is dominated by historic warbirds.
I may come across as a misty-eyed beard, but I've just spent a few hours watching the 2004 season again and it was a lot better than I remember. Ferrari, McLaren-Mercedes, Renault, BMW-Williams all winning races, BAR-Honda finishing 2nd in Constructor's championship and regularly on the podium. And then there's the sound and speed of the cars
The 2004 cars were racing harder for consistently longer and their overall race-pace was considerably faster than last year's. These hybrids are only quicker in qualy form when they run minimal fuel. They're 120kg heavier ffs
Oi_Oi_Savaloy said:
Anyone else sharing these concerns or am I trudging down a lonely needless path of worry?!
Yes I have had concerns with F1 since the start of the hybrid 'era'.The main problem is that once politics enters a sport, as what has happened with F1, then its then about the politics rather than the sport.
F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of internal combustion engine motorsport competition, political forces are trying to re-invent or morph it in to some sort of 'green future' showcase, which I guess the majority of F1 fans have no interest in. (Judging by how many viewers the series has lost over the years).
https://blogs-images.forbes.com/csylt/files/2018/0...
Fans want to see drivers race, they want to hear the engine noises to listen for driver control, where one differs from another. They want to see flames spitting out the exhaust, cars under the control of power at the limit of grip in a visible way , etc. etc.
However the reality these days is that everything is being made out to look like this can not be the future because "CO2", "sustainability" etc. etc....just pick any random word from the greenpeace dictionary.
The car these days are also too digital and less driver, the cars are much easier to drive (in comparative terms), meaning school kid's dads can pay their way in to a seat and easily be competitive. The current F1 cars are also the most butt ugly things ever to see 4 wheels, what with all the regulations forcing the design to have such a long nose section and wheel base.
Replying to this thread now because for the first time in my history I have not has any interest to watch nor find out the result of any race so far in the 2019 season. And this is coming from somebody who did karting in my youth, had aspirations for F1, raced in Formula Ford, Formula Renault and then a number of smaller series races. Always had a strong interest in motorsport and kept F1 as a prime interest. Now however, as the formula continues down its current path, this path is leading further away from my interests, now at the point where I really couldn't care less what races take place, who is racing in them, what takes place and who wins.
Now I'm sure there will be those will say "progress", "modern times" etc. and sure there will be those who are attracted to electric milk float racing whereby kids compete against kids in ugly looking risk free carbon fibre shells, but alas its not for me (and also for many others I know who used to like the sport).
Ok you'll be pleased to know rant over.
I'll get off my high horse now and travel back in to my idealistic 'dark ages'.
I have been watching F1 since 1985. I have watched every single race live since the late 80s, except 2 that I can think of due to family events and I probably missed 10-15 qualifying live over the same period. I have been to many races in person and in the last 10 years I have been to 2-3 races per year. Usually do T02 or T03 too each year.
This year I have not watched the first 2 races as I have cancelled Sky Sports F1. I watched the highlights on the F1 YouTube channel and that's it. I might go to one race this year, but at this exact moment I might not bother. I was going to do T03 but cancelled at the last minute.
Have I missed it, a little - but not as much as I thought I would.
This year I have not watched the first 2 races as I have cancelled Sky Sports F1. I watched the highlights on the F1 YouTube channel and that's it. I might go to one race this year, but at this exact moment I might not bother. I was going to do T03 but cancelled at the last minute.
Have I missed it, a little - but not as much as I thought I would.
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