UK Hawker Typhoon project need last £3.5k of £50k in 5 days

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Eric Mc said:

I'm not altogether sure they ever really fixed the tail coming off Typhoons.

The main way they fixed the Typhoon was stopping the building of it - and replacing it with the Tempest.

The Tempest used the same rear fuselage/tail as the Typhoon with the added large fairing which is a skin only, the Typhoon rebuild is using a MkII Tempest tail with the fairing skin removed as it is the same.
You can see the Tempest added on fairing in the pic.

Edited by Total loss on Saturday 4th May 15:48

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aeropilot said:

That maybe so in theory, but a certified engine shop still has to strip, rebuild and certify for flight an engine that no-one has built for flight for 70+ years. Hell, no-one has heard one run since the late 40's when the last Tempest V's flew!

The Sabre by the late '40's had become a reliable engine, the RAF chose the Sabre Tempests because of the power over Centaurus ones to convert 80 into target tugs for the fast jets coming online, and continued in use into 1955 when they last flew.
Doesn't mean any less a daunting task to get one rebuilt and running to an airworthy standard.

[Total loss]

Sorry all, I should have updated the result of the crowdfunding

£67,127 was successfully raised with 579 supporters in 21 days

Thanks to those that supported the project, for those that didn't get a chance, don't worry, there will be many more opportunities in the future I'm sure

[lufbramatt]

Total loss said:

Eric Mc said:

I'm not altogether sure they ever really fixed the tail coming off Typhoons.

The main way they fixed the Typhoon was stopping the building of it - and replacing it with the Tempest.

The Tempest used the same rear fuselage/tail as the Typhoon with the added large fairing which is a skin only, the Typhoon rebuild is using a MkII Tempest tail with the fairing skin removed as it is the same.

A lot of the typhoon and tempest fuselage was the same- on the early tempests there is a bulge on the upper wing fillet, this is to cover where the rear spar on the thin wing joins on to the original mounting points on the fuselage for the thicker typhoon wing.

Edited by lufbramatt on Saturday 4th May 14:02

[Dr Jekyll]

lufbramatt said:

A lot of the typhoon and tempest fuselage was the same- on the early tempests there is a bulge on the upper wing fillet, this is to cover where the rear spar on the thin wing joins on to the original mounting points on the fuselage for the thicker typhoon wing.

Getting a bit OT here, but how much does the Fury/Sea Fury have in common with the Tempest? It always looks to me like a Tempest II with smaller wings.

[lufbramatt]

Hardly anything, the fury was a much more modern stressed skin (monocoque) design, whereas the Typhoon/tempest still used a "warren truss" framework for the front section of the fuselage.

[dr_gn]

“Project refocus”

https://hawkertyphoon.com/news/hawker-typhoon-rb39...

TBH sometimes I think these projects are hopelessly optimistic/naive, yet other times - especially at places like Goodwood or Duxford, I wonder why some super rich enthusiast (and there are undoubtedly many in the world) doesn’t just say “here’s the money, do it”.

[Tony1963]

From the link above:

“ To stay on track with our 2024 target for completion, we must raise in excess of £105,000 per month, on average, every month, between now and June 2024.“

Sorry. That’s impossible.

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[aeropilot]

dr_gn said:

“Project refocus”

https://hawkertyphoon.com/news/hawker-typhoon-rb39...

TBH sometimes I think these projects are hopelessly optimistic/naive

Most of them are that are started by enthusiast group with no real experience and no real serious financial backing.
This is definately one of those, as is The Peoples Mosquito being another one that will not come to anything.

If you haven't got the money or at least 75% of it up front at the project start, then it won't ever happen.

[dr_gn]

Tony1963 said:

From the link above:

“ To stay on track with our 2024 target for completion, we must raise in excess of £105,000 per month, on average, every month, between now and June 2024.“

Sorry. That’s impossible.

That’s their point...

[dr_gn]

aeropilot said:

dr_gn said:

“Project refocus”

https://hawkertyphoon.com/news/hawker-typhoon-rb39...

TBH sometimes I think these projects are hopelessly optimistic/naive

Most of them are that are started by enthusiast group with no real experience and no real serious financial backing.
This is definately one of those, as is The Peoples Mosquito being another one that will not come to anything.

If you haven't got the money or at least 75% of it up front at the project start, then it won't ever happen.

What they need is someone who is so rich that they don’t know what to do with their money, but not intelligent enough to know how difficult it is replace once it’s gone.

They need a lottery winner.

Edited by dr_gn on Sunday 12th July 18:43

[aeropilot]

dr_gn said:

aeropilot said:

dr_gn said:

“Project refocus”

https://hawkertyphoon.com/news/hawker-typhoon-rb39...

TBH sometimes I think these projects are hopelessly optimistic/naive

Most of them are that are started by enthusiast group with no real experience and no real serious financial backing.
This is definately one of those, as is The Peoples Mosquito being another one that will not come to anything.

If you haven't got the money or at least 75% of it up front at the project start, then it won't ever happen.

What they need is someone who is so rich that they don’t know what to do with their money, but not intelligent enough to know how difficult it is replace once it’s gone.

The problem in the UK, unlike USA, is that there are now so few mega rich people that have enough interest (or any interest) in WW2, military history, or vintage aircraft in general to want to get involved in projects that are not already involved.

[Eric Mc]

I’ve always thought that this project was massively ambitious. I have no doubt they will get the airframe sorted. It’s the engine that will be the stumbling block.
It has always been a tall order to get an airworthy Napier Sabre up and running.

[PugwasHDJ80]

Eric Mc said:

I'm not altogether sure they ever really fixed the tail coming off Typhoons.

The main way they fixed the Typhoon was stopping the building of it - and replacing it with the Tempest.

Bit of an old reply, but the discussion of the tail falling off reminded me of
https://youtu.be/IQKjj_FDI_M

[aeropilot]

And on the subject of Tempest's, the Tempest II, MW763, being restored by Richard Grace's team at Air Leasing, was due to make its first flight this year, but the Covid situation has put the brakes on it a little, and so its first flight seems unlikely now to happen this year.

[tobinen]

I accidently stumbled on this project when YouTube suggested a video by Fast Jet Performance interviewing the project lead (can't recall his name, he's a commercial pilot and his grandad flew one in the war)

I made a modest donation and ordered a few things from the shop but given the figures involved and required, as others have said, it needs someone with very deep pockets.