Solo: A Star Wars Story

[JagLover]

frisbee said:

I don't think you want a fan of the universe in charge, you just want good directors who are capable of taking the source material, the star wars universe and creating something original.

Abrahams has repeatedly made average films in the best franchises, Rian Johnson took a great concept with Looper and made it into an average film, Edwards managed to stuff up Godzilla, Ron Howard is Mr average film maker himself, only give him films where the audience knows exactly how it is going to end.

I don't mind the latest films but they aren't much above Michael Bay Transformers film level.

Which great directors working today do you think would work under Kathleen Kennedy?. Someone like Christopher Nolan would want creative control.

The best they can hope for is someone competent, like Abrams.

[anonymous-user]

I wonder if these offshoot films like solo and Boba Fett etc, would all be better as spin off high quality tv series set in the Star Wars universe. Like the marvel and dc universe series you get on Netflix and amazon and now possibly Disney tv or whatever their streaming service is going to be.

Then they’d be something separate and they wouldn’t be messing with the core films.

ETA looks like it’s already planned. https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/26/17285316/star-w...

I wasn’t really hoping for more clone wars animated cartoon stuff but more like daredevil or Jessica jones.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 3rd June 07:04

[Coolbanana]

Moonhawk said:

Whilst that great - the big question for the future of the franchise is - will your daughter be buying Star Wars lego and replica lightsabers in her 40s?

Is it not obvious to you that mainstream films such as these inevitably evolve with the times in which they are created? They are often reflections of what Society is experiencing in the moment. The Star War's movies of the future will be no different.

Do you buy Star War's merchandise as an adult? The last Star War's figurine or toy I owned was back when I was a child. I can imagine my daughter's children will want Star Wars toys, yes, but my daughter in her 40's? Don't be silly. She has never owned any as it is, let alone in 22 years time!
My son on the other hand did have a Millennium Falcon model but again, that is now well packed away in the basement and has been for years.

Both kids have watched every Star War's movie dozens of times and are fans - they have enjoyed every single one. Some they prefer to others and they have a hierarchy sure, but they didn't dislike any and when they visit from Uni this Summer, they want to watch TLJ again.

I don't fear for the franchise at all, far from it

[frisbee]

JagLover said:

Which great directors working today do you think would work under Kathleen Kennedy?. Someone like Christopher Nolan would want creative control.

The best they can hope for is someone competent, like Abrams.

If I want to watch a remake of the A New Hope, I'll just watch Return of the Jedi. I can't be bothered with continual remakes of the first film.

Ferge for Marvel is clearly able to let directors do their own thing but someone is obviously there in the background ensuring things are cohesive. Even Vin Diesel can manage it with the F&F films!

[Coolbanana]

frisbee said:

...Ron Howard is Mr average film maker himself...

l.

Really? I grant you he is not my favourite and in my opinion he is not up there with the best but can we really consider a man who won an Oscar for Best Director for A Beautiful Mind and the director of Apollo 13 Mr Average?

He had directed some rubbish, sure, but he has a talent when it suits him to be above average. I think he did ok with Solo for the type of movie it is.

[ukaskew]

frisbee said:

Ferge for Marvel is clearly able to let directors do their own thing but someone is obviously there in the background ensuring things are cohesive. Even Vin Diesel can manage it with the F&F films!

Although arguably Edgar Wright and Taiki Waititi have been the only really subversive directors brought in under the MCU umbrella. Edgar was canned and Taiki was taking on a lame duck, knew his vision wouldn't make it through the script sign off stage so shot lots of secretly scripted gags that he hoped would make it through once execs saw the dailies.

[Moonhawk]

Coolbanana said:

Do you buy Star War's merchandise as an adult?

Well yes actually. My fairly sizeable collection of Stawars lego has been built up over the last 5 years or so.

I have bought and re-bought the movies on every new format as it has come out too.

All said, i’m probably well up over the £1000 mark in merchandise, toys, books, dvds/blu-ray etc. Compared to at most £100 in box office ticket sales.

Most Star Wars merchandise is bought by young to middle aged men. It is the merchandise where the money has been made in the SW universe.

Coolbanana said:

but my daughter in her 40's? laugh Don't be silly.

And in one sentence you have perfectly summed up why Disney’s SJW approach is pointless.

Girls and women may feel empowered seeing strong female characters in the SW universe......but they aint going to be buying £650 lego kits in their 40s

Edited by Moonhawk on Sunday 3rd June 13:53

[Moonhawk]

Coolbanana said:

Really? I grant you he is not my favourite and in my opinion he is not up there with the best but can we really consider a man who won an Oscar for Best Director for A Beautiful Mind and the director of Apollo 13 Mr Average?

But as the poster pointed out - both movies had known endings.

He’s great at ‘documentary style’ movie making like Apollo 13, Rush, Frost/Nixon etc.

Apollo 13 is one of my all time favorite movies.

[g3org3y]

Coolbanana said:

Moonhawk said:

Whilst that great - the big question for the future of the franchise is - will your daughter be buying Star Wars lego and replica lightsabers in her 40s?

Is it not obvious to you that mainstream films such as these inevitably evolve with the times in which they are created? They are often reflections of what Society is experiencing in the moment. The Star War's movies of the future will be no different.

Do you buy Star War's merchandise as an adult? The last Star War's figurine or toy I owned was back when I was a child. I can imagine my daughter's children will want Star Wars toys, yes, but my daughter in her 40's? Don't be silly. She has never owned any as it is, let alone in 22 years time!
My son on the other hand did have a Millennium Falcon model but again, that is now well packed away in the basement and has been for years.

Children will have to save up a lot of pocket money for the £650 UCS Millennium Falcon.

[chris watton]

Moonhawk said:

Well yes actually. My fairly sizeable collection of Stawars lego has been built up over the last 5 years or so.

I have bought and re-bought the movies on every new format as it has come out too.

All said, i’m probably well up over the £1000 mark in merchandise, toys, books, dvds/blu-ray etc. Compared to at most £100 in box office ticket sales.

Me too. I bought not toys, but scale model kits of stuff from both TFA and R1, plus books and, of course, the Blu-Rays.

I have only spent £2.50 on TLJ, the initial ticket cost to see it. Even though it's the first SW film on 4k Blu-Ray, I didn't buy it, watching it once was more than enough.

Films are very popular when they reflect popular culture (or tell a very well told and executed story, which is important for overseas markets), the problem these days is that what the new direction is pushing is not popular culture. If it was, they'd be doing a lot better. Mainstream liberal agendas do not equate to popular culture, clearly.

The potato's are very undercooked, and we do all love potato's when cooked properly...

[Wobbegong]

El stovey said:

I wonder if these offshoot films like solo and Boba Fett etc, would all be better as spin off high quality tv series set in the Star Wars universe. Like the marvel and dc universe series you get on Netflix and amazon and now possibly Disney tv or whatever their streaming service is going to be.

Then they’d be something separate and they wouldn’t be messing with the core films.

ETA looks like it’s already planned. https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/26/17285316/star-w...

I wasn’t really hoping for more clone wars animated cartoon stuff but more like daredevil or Jessica jones.

Edited by El stovey on Sunday 3rd June 07:04

The original plan was to have a series leading to A New Hope concentrating on the development of the rebellion, Wedge Antilles etc however it never came to be I can’t remember if the prequels were made instead or whether they were both supposed to be made.

[anonymous-user]

Wobbegong said:

The original plan was to have a series leading to A New Hope concentrating on the development of the rebellion, Wedge Antilles etc however it never came to be I can’t remember if the prequels were made instead or whether they were both supposed to be made.

I think it’s still on the cards. A series allows for much better plot and character development. Perfect for a star wars universe.

I’d love to see a Star Wars series like the expanse or even battle star galactica but I expect it would be more like lost in space with a lower age rating.

[Convert]

Slightly O/T , but anyone fancy a large bit of Chewie?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Chewbacca-Star-Wars-Cha...

[frisbee]

JagLover said:

Which great directors working today do you think would work under Kathleen Kennedy?. Someone like Christopher Nolan would want creative control.

The best they can hope for is someone competent, like Abrams.

She won't last if the films aren't making the money they should and it will be having a knock in affect on the merchandising.

Star Wars should be the biggest but Marvel is destroying it. A few people grew up reading comics but pretty much everyone saw Star Wars.

[ukaskew]

frisbee said:

She won't last if the films aren't making the money they should and it will be having a knock in affect on the merchandising.

Star Wars should be the biggest but Marvel is destroying it. A few people grew up reading comics but pretty much everyone saw Star Wars.

Marvel has been pretty prominent in both cartoons and Lego sets etc for the past 10 years. Star Wars basically skipped a generation in terms of exposure and new content, Marvel generally will have been far more prominent to anyone heading into their 20s.

[Halb]

Convert said:

Slightly O/T , but anyone fancy a large bit of Chewie?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Chewbacca-Star-Wars-Cha...

THat'd look good in the garden, at least Chewie hasn't been tuned to crud by KK...though wouldn't be surprised if we find out Chewie is female and had a fling with Lando back in the day.

some amusing videos

Solo Is The Best Film Ever - The Shill Master Review

Georg Rockall-Schmidt
https://youtu.be/9DgrJ89Oo2w
3 mins

Solo: A Star Wars Story Pitch Meeting

pitch meeting
https://youtu.be/KQs_Oy9JRys
7mins

[ukaskew]

I knew things were a bit bleak but it really has tanked. 65% drop in the US and only $30m in total from all international markets in the second weekend.

$264m global total now, even $400m global is looking like a tough target. Deadpool 2 comfortably outperformed it internationally despite being a week older in almost every territory, even Infinity War wasn't far off beating Solo.

[JagLover]

ukaskew said:

I knew things were a bit bleak but it really has tanked. 65% drop in the US and only $30m in total from all international markets in the second weekend.

$264m global total now, even $400m global is looking like a tough target. Deadpool 2 comfortably outperformed it internationally despite being a week older in almost every territory, even Infinity War wasn't far off beating Solo.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/solo-second-weekend-box-office-stalls-adrift-opens-number-three-1116670

Will almost certainly not break even at box office now.

[anonymous-user]

Halb said:

THat'd look good in the garden, at least Chewie hasn't been tuned to crud by KK...though wouldn't be surprised if we find out Chewie is female and had a fling with Lando back in the day.

some amusing videos

Solo Is The Best Film Ever - The Shill Master Review

Georg Rockall-Schmidt
https://youtu.be/9DgrJ89Oo2w
3 mins

Solo: A Star Wars Story Pitch Meeting

pitch meeting
https://youtu.be/KQs_Oy9JRys
7mins

I’m so glad I saw the movie (and enjoyed it) before seeing all these people point out what’s wrong with it,

[Halb]

that bloke's pitchmeetings are just so ace, as good as the other thingys...erm...forget now....honest trailers!!

ukaskew said:

I knew things were a bit bleak but it really has tanked. 65% drop in the US and only $30m in total from all international markets in the second weekend.

$264m global total now, even $400m global is looking like a tough target. Deadpool 2 comfortably outperformed it internationally despite being a week older in almost every territory, even Infinity War wasn't far off beating Solo.

I'm surprised and yet not surprised at the same time, sort of when you think something will happen but don't really believe it when it does.

Seems it might not even break even...who whudda thunk that for a SW film?

https://screenrant.com/solo-box-office-bomb-break-...
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/06/solo-...

the big and interesting question is, so what happens at Disney Lucasfilm now?