Game of Thrones - vol II - NO SPOILERS
Discussion
Guvernator said:
I actually mentioned this earlier, I'm sure it was alluded to in the early parts of the show that the winters were changeable. They only had a really hard winter every once in a while and it's only during this harshest winter that the WW would turn up. This is why no one really believes in them initially as the last time they were seen was before living memory which means it's become legend and only written about in old books. It's also the reason why the Black Watch numbers were dwindling, who bothers to guard a wall that hasn't been attacked for years.
I'm pretty sure I also remember a few conversations where they mentioned they were due a really harsh winter this time round hence the constant winter is coming references. Not sure how anyone knew that though, perhaps the pattern is predictable?
I think that everyone now knows "Winter is Coming" - but those who can remember, and therefore survived, the last winter, vary on the scale of how concerned they are. Clearly, some are VERY worried about it, perhaps they are the ones to whom everyone should have listened to earlier on to help prepare the Night's Watch and man it up, beacuse many others are somewhat indifferent to the whole concept, it won't affect them much/enough to really worry about etc. I'm pretty sure I also remember a few conversations where they mentioned they were due a really harsh winter this time round hence the constant winter is coming references. Not sure how anyone knew that though, perhaps the pattern is predictable?
There must be some omens that hint to those in the know that this is going to be worse - the Starks perhaps know their stuff more than the others, or the Citadel and the Maesters have their knowledge but people aren't listening
I can't really see Jon, Danny, Sansa, Arya or Jamie dying, at least not just yet anyway as they all still have character or plot arcs to complete. Yes I know GGRM has killed off characters who have incomplete stories before but he's not writing these bits and I'm pretty sure the show writers will play it a bit more safe and formulaic.
Jon and Danny will have a showdown at some point which will either end up with one of them dead or more likely they will reconcile.
Sansa still has a part to play, I reckon she will make a play for power somehow.
Jamie and Cersie still have unresolved issues. I reckon the most satisfying outcome would be if he kills Cersie and becomes Queen-slayer.
Arya still has a few people on her list but I think she will be killed at some point as her character will have pretty much run it's course once her list is complete.
Anyone else is fair game though over the next few episodes IMO.
Jon and Danny will have a showdown at some point which will either end up with one of them dead or more likely they will reconcile.
Sansa still has a part to play, I reckon she will make a play for power somehow.
Jamie and Cersie still have unresolved issues. I reckon the most satisfying outcome would be if he kills Cersie and becomes Queen-slayer.
Arya still has a few people on her list but I think she will be killed at some point as her character will have pretty much run it's course once her list is complete.
Anyone else is fair game though over the next few episodes IMO.
glazbagun said:
It would be neat, but time travel is a too contrived- he could just as easily stop the creation of the night king.
But the Night King was created for a reason, to stop a war. Bran was told all about that in the tree. Plus, the person who was sacrificed by the Children to be the King and stop the war between the Children of the Forest and the First men I have as being Bran (the Builder) Stark who brokered the peace by giving himself up (giving up his life/crown for his people, just like Jon) and some things have to be time locked because too much could be changed if he goes too far back in time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwX3v05Q3tg&t=...
Game of Thrones Season 8 - How The Night King will be Defeated Theory
good vid
Game of Thrones Season 8 - How The Night King will be Defeated Theory
good vid
Reading the timeline of the overall story: https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline
A lot of history seems to be repeating itself, it almost seems like if you read the history backwards from today (in the show) back to the start of the recorded history, you can definitely relate a lot of events to those of the past.. and maybe gets hints as to how certain things may go in the remainder of the show..
A lot of history seems to be repeating itself, it almost seems like if you read the history backwards from today (in the show) back to the start of the recorded history, you can definitely relate a lot of events to those of the past.. and maybe gets hints as to how certain things may go in the remainder of the show..
glazbagun said:
It would be neat, but time travel is a too contrived- he could just as easily stop the creation of the night king.
I think time travel has been signposted too hard for the only use of it to be Hodor's name. I think the 'fix' will be time travel hijinksThe winter thing, they have different lengths on the planet, so sometimes summer is long and hot, sometimes winters are mild, short, long, sometimes chilly. There hasn't been a bad winter in living memory, though people know they exist, and are expecting one. Then there's the legendary/miffic Long Night, where winter lasted for over a generation. This is the scary Winter that happened when the Others came last time, and it's thought them coming again is now heralding another 20-30 year long winter....which would be a bit of a chore to get through.
Halb said:
Book rules. It's dead meat, no different to the meat we've seen get burned, but that doesn't matter as the link from the writer says, they've changed it.
I checked the ep number, it's Hold the door, I don't recall wights getting killed by dragonglass but I guess they've inserted that now.
Their vulnerability to dragon glass in the books hasn't been established AFAIK; could go either way.I checked the ep number, it's Hold the door, I don't recall wights getting killed by dragonglass but I guess they've inserted that now.
Halb said:
gregs656 said:
Their vulnerability to dragon glass in the books hasn't been established AFAIK; could go either way.
Wights? Fire burns them, that's why the writer said they changed things.AFAIK the only time dragonglass is tried against wights in the books is by Sam and he hits a chestplate or mail and it breaks, so could be that if he had gone for something fleshy it would have worked.
I think the wording in the quote is clumsy as it is never explicitly stated in the books that it won't kill them, we just don't have good evidence either way.
FWIW I quite like the Bran is the Night King theory. It will be a bit dull if it's just another time travel story at the end of it all though.
gregs656 said:
Yes fire burns them in both the TV show and the books.
AFAIK the only time dragonglass is tried against wights in the books is by Sam and he hits a chestplate or mail and it breaks, so could be that if he had gone for something fleshy it would have worked.
I think the wording in the quote is clumsy as it is never explicitly stated in the books that it won't kill them, we just don't have good evidence either way.
FWIW I quite like the Bran is the Night King theory. It will be a bit dull if it's just another time travel story at the end of it all though.
I had a quick look, a quote from Mel is;AFAIK the only time dragonglass is tried against wights in the books is by Sam and he hits a chestplate or mail and it breaks, so could be that if he had gone for something fleshy it would have worked.
I think the wording in the quote is clumsy as it is never explicitly stated in the books that it won't kill them, we just don't have good evidence either way.
FWIW I quite like the Bran is the Night King theory. It will be a bit dull if it's just another time travel story at the end of it all though.
“Necromancy animates these wights, yet they are still only dead flesh. Steel and fire will serve for them. The ones you call the Others are something more.”
Dragonglass would damage them the same way steel would no doubt, from what we know now. Though I@m not adverse to DG having some special properties that might disassociate/shut down wights from their controller I guess....that would be book wights, but as for the show...the way they are going I can see wights bursting into flame if touched by DG, maybe.
Edited by Halb on Friday 26th April 15:32
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