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On a similar theme to my above post, I spotted this at a local vintage show a few years ago:
Just another tidy Series 2, no?
But what was that other badge on the front again? Doesnt look like a 2.25 engine in there!
Nope, its a Gardner (4CD?? 4LK??) bus engine and its accompanying gearbox, somehow shoehorned in
Unlike the V8 one above, this appears to be a show beast, and unless some other beefing up has gone on I can only assume the owner buys halfshafts in bulk!
Just another tidy Series 2, no?
But what was that other badge on the front again? Doesnt look like a 2.25 engine in there!
Nope, its a Gardner (4CD?? 4LK??) bus engine and its accompanying gearbox, somehow shoehorned in
Unlike the V8 one above, this appears to be a show beast, and unless some other beefing up has gone on I can only assume the owner buys halfshafts in bulk!
scoobykev15 said:
i remember seeing a landrover on ebay a few years ago which some nutter had fitted a combine harvester engine to it
Perkins 6.354 was used in combines, you could get one in a lwb landy with a stage one style front no bother, bit heavy though. I've got two of them in my boat.That's a 4LK in the series 2, lovely motor.
mat777 said:
This was at Convoy4Heroes yesterday;
Despite looking on the outside to simply be a beautifully restored 88" Series 2, underneath it packed a Rover V8 motor with a Holley Carb. This was coupled to a Defender gearbox/transfer box and a Series 3 Stage 1 front axle, which gives 5 speeds and permanent 4wd (over the 4 speed box and selectable 2/4wd Series Land rovers normally have).
In my eyes this is the best of both worlds - a totally standard-looking ubiquitous and charming classic, sensibly and subtly upgraded for every day/high mileage use - the owner said he had completely surprised a BMW driver at some traffic lights on the way there!
I had a S3 with a 3.5 V8 in for a bit. Even just on SUs it'd surprise a lot of chavs etc by shifting in a way old LRs aren't expected too.Despite looking on the outside to simply be a beautifully restored 88" Series 2, underneath it packed a Rover V8 motor with a Holley Carb. This was coupled to a Defender gearbox/transfer box and a Series 3 Stage 1 front axle, which gives 5 speeds and permanent 4wd (over the 4 speed box and selectable 2/4wd Series Land rovers normally have).
In my eyes this is the best of both worlds - a totally standard-looking ubiquitous and charming classic, sensibly and subtly upgraded for every day/high mileage use - the owner said he had completely surprised a BMW driver at some traffic lights on the way there!
roscobbc said:
'68 Vette - originally 427 cu in - now John Sleath built 489 cu in 'stroker' - 528 bhp ' 565 ft/lbs torque.
Edited by roscobbc on Saturday 7th January 00:55
jellison said:
urely the srpiging on that is all wrong. To have the bonnet THAT high when gassed up (irrespective of how daft the lump)!
isn't it all to do with torque reaction?less grip at the rear tyres will result in unwanted tyre slippage and burning them out,good grip will mean the torque path has to go somewhere momentarily ie,lifting the front of the car on take off.garagewidow said:
jellison said:
urely the srpiging on that is all wrong. To have the bonnet THAT high when gassed up (irrespective of how daft the lump)!
isn't it all to do with torque reaction?less grip at the rear tyres will result in unwanted tyre slippage and burning them out,good grip will mean the torque path has to go somewhere momentarily ie,lifting the front of the car on take off.What does it corner like!?
Finally found this thread and I seem to have two cars that fit. My little frogeye with its Rover V8 can have the SU's and look fairly innocent.
Or I can run the quad downdraft IDAs with 6" rampipes![url]
|http://thumbsnap.com/N8to4yD8
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My other Classic is the Alfa Romeo Sprint. This was the coupe version of the Alfasud and initially had a 1350 flat four boxer driving the front wheels - then they went to 1500cc and finally 1700cc. However Autodelta built a few with a rear 2.5 litre V6 driving the rear wheels (Sprint 6C). So that was my inspiration. [url]
|http://thumbsnap.com/OKui38iE
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Or I can run the quad downdraft IDAs with 6" rampipes![url]
|http://thumbsnap.com/N8to4yD8[/url][url]
|http://thumbsnap.com/JnCPB9vY[/url]
My other Classic is the Alfa Romeo Sprint. This was the coupe version of the Alfasud and initially had a 1350 flat four boxer driving the front wheels - then they went to 1500cc and finally 1700cc. However Autodelta built a few with a rear 2.5 litre V6 driving the rear wheels (Sprint 6C). So that was my inspiration. [url]
|http://thumbsnap.com/OKui38iE[/url]
Edited by Flying Phil on Wednesday 2nd May 19:28
jellison said:
urely the srpiging on that is all wrong. To have the bonnet THAT high when gassed up (irrespective of how daft the lump)!
Weight transfer is the name of the game - look at 1/4 mile stuff - more powerful and lighter street cars with slicks 'pop' the front end on take off! .Despite appearance my car has approx. 52/48 front/rear weight bias and factory optional HD rear transverse spring at 360lbs and 550lbs front coils. Under standing start acceleration front comes-up - rear squats down - weight transfers over rear end and provided you have sticky enough rubber (mine has 285 section Toyos) the result is good grip - handling is what anyone might expect from a 45 year old design (albeit with independent rear end) probably on a par with TR or similar from the same period (although low profile tyres make a significant difference)Edited by roscobbc on Thursday 3rd May 02:03
roscobbc said:
jellison said:
urely the srpiging on that is all wrong. To have the bonnet THAT high when gassed up (irrespective of how daft the lump)!
Weight transfer is the name of the game - look at 1/4 mile stuff - more powerful and lighter street cars with slicks 'pop' the front end on take off! .Despite appearance my car has approx. 52/48 front/rear weight bias and factory optional HD rear transverse spring at 360lbs and 550lbs front coils. Under standing start acceleration front comes-up - rear squats down - weight transfers over rear end and provided you have sticky enough rubber (mine has 285 section Toyos) the result is good grip - handling is what anyone might expect from a 45 year old design (albeit with independent rear end) probably on a par with TR or similar from the same period (although low profile tyres make a significant difference)Edited by roscobbc on Thursday 3rd May 02:03
Good answer - those spring rates do see ok for a none racer (do you primarily do 1/4 mile and road stuff)?
How much does it weigh?
The kick-up at the front and droop at the back under max noise is incredibly extreme through, but like you say you see pure drag car doing even more extreme.
Was not sure what it was used for.
I'm using a bit more poundage at the front of my next toy and about the same at the back (spread across 2x rear coil overs though (with half that rate)). Don't think mind will have that kind of stance coming off the line, but car will be lighter, alot smaller, shorter wheelbase (similar or a tad more poke, but I'd guess less torque), but then mine will be built to race the circuits.
jellison said:
i Ross.
Good answer - those spring rates do see ok for a none racer (do you primarily do 1/4 mile and road stuff)?
How much does it weigh?
The kick-up at the front and droop at the back under max noise is incredibly extreme through, but like you say you see pure drag car doing even more extreme.
Was not sure what it was used for.
I'm using a bit more poundage at the front of my next toy and about the same at the back (spread across 2x rear coil overs though (with half that rate)). Don't think mind will have that kind of stance coming off the line, but car will be lighter, alot smaller, shorter wheelbase (similar or a tad more poke, but I'd guess less torque), but then mine will be built to race the circuits.
I have few major bits in alluminium so weight I guess is around 3600lbs - used on street - have done drags at North Weald but traction is very poor - traction on proper strip may be too much for transmission etc! - photo with front really up in the air was nailing it first gear at 30 mph.Good answer - those spring rates do see ok for a none racer (do you primarily do 1/4 mile and road stuff)?
How much does it weigh?
The kick-up at the front and droop at the back under max noise is incredibly extreme through, but like you say you see pure drag car doing even more extreme.
Was not sure what it was used for.
I'm using a bit more poundage at the front of my next toy and about the same at the back (spread across 2x rear coil overs though (with half that rate)). Don't think mind will have that kind of stance coming off the line, but car will be lighter, alot smaller, shorter wheelbase (similar or a tad more poke, but I'd guess less torque), but then mine will be built to race the circuits.
roscobbc said:
jellison said:
Hi Ross.
Good answer - those spring rates do see ok for a none racer (do you primarily do 1/4 mile and road stuff)?
How much does it weigh?
The kick-up at the front and droop at the back under max noise is incredibly extreme through, but like you say you see pure drag car doing even more extreme.
Was not sure what it was used for.
I'm using a bit more poundage at the front of my next toy and about the same at the back (spread across 2x rear coil overs though (with half that rate)). Don't think mind will have that kind of stance coming off the line, but car will be lighter, alot smaller, shorter wheelbase (similar or a tad more poke, but I'd guess less torque), but then mine will be built to race the circuits.
I have few major bits in alluminium so weight I guess is around 3600lbs - used on street - have done drags at North Weald but traction is very poor - traction on proper strip may be too much for transmission etc! - photo with front really up in the air was nailing it first gear at 30 mph.Good answer - those spring rates do see ok for a none racer (do you primarily do 1/4 mile and road stuff)?
How much does it weigh?
The kick-up at the front and droop at the back under max noise is incredibly extreme through, but like you say you see pure drag car doing even more extreme.
Was not sure what it was used for.
I'm using a bit more poundage at the front of my next toy and about the same at the back (spread across 2x rear coil overs though (with half that rate)). Don't think mind will have that kind of stance coming off the line, but car will be lighter, alot smaller, shorter wheelbase (similar or a tad more poke, but I'd guess less torque), but then mine will be built to race the circuits.
I'm aiming for 950kg, so about 2100lbs. Mind mine will have only 225 Yoko's on it!
Flying Phil said:
Finally found this thread and I seem to have two cars that fit. My little frogeye with its Rover V8 can have the SU's and look fairly innocent.
Or I can run the quad downdraft IDAs with 6" rampipes![url]|http://thumbsnap.com/N8to4yD8
[/url][url]|http://thumbsnap.com/JnCPB9vY
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That's gotta be huge fun, how the hell did you make it fit?Or I can run the quad downdraft IDAs with 6" rampipes![url]
|http://thumbsnap.com/N8to4yD8[/url][url]
|http://thumbsnap.com/JnCPB9vY[/url]
Flying Phil said:
Finally found this thread and I seem to have two cars that fit. My little frogeye with its Rover V8 can have the SU's and look fairly innocent.
Or I can run the quad downdraft IDAs with 6" rampipes![url]|http://thumbsnap.com/N8to4yD8
[/url][url]|http://thumbsnap.com/JnCPB9vY
[/url]
My other Classic is the Alfa Romeo Sprint. This was the coupe version of the Alfasud and initially had a 1350 flat four boxer driving the front wheels - then they went to 1500cc and finally 1700cc. However Autodelta built a few with a rear 2.5 litre V6 driving the rear wheels (Sprint 6C). So that was my inspiration. [url]|http://thumbsnap.com/OKui38iE
[/url]
Just spotted these.Or I can run the quad downdraft IDAs with 6" rampipes![url]
|http://thumbsnap.com/N8to4yD8[/url][url]
|http://thumbsnap.com/JnCPB9vY[/url]
My other Classic is the Alfa Romeo Sprint. This was the coupe version of the Alfasud and initially had a 1350 flat four boxer driving the front wheels - then they went to 1500cc and finally 1700cc. However Autodelta built a few with a rear 2.5 litre V6 driving the rear wheels (Sprint 6C). So that was my inspiration. [url]
|http://thumbsnap.com/OKui38iE[/url]
Edited by Flying Phil on Wednesday 2nd May 19:28
Sprite is nuts (what spec is that RV8?). Could you fit shorter ram pipes and just have a shallow hoos scoop ala standard AC Cobra?
Alfa is Awesome - have read about the rear engines Sud Sprints (I had one as well at the RWD GTV6).
Got more on the ALFA?
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