North Korea - how serious should we take them?
Discussion
babatunde said:
jmorgan said:
babatunde said:
WestyCarl said:
I read a good suggestion the other day. Drop a few million unlocked iphones into NK with a drone above beaming free wi-fi and let it play out..........
This is probably the most logical suggestion here, not sure about Iphones though, maybe some Nokia 3310's That is making tech like this available to North Koreans for very cheap.
It seems to be what the chinese are doing given the incredibly cheap phones that are available there now, but there needs to be more of this, and allowing the chinese to get there first gives them the control of the situation which I doubt is a great thing.
It should have been SK swamping NK with cheap tech. They have the skills, technology and money to do this, however with the aid of the wonderful US and their plans, an impenetrable barrier still exists between the countries. This is what needs fixing to end this situation.
motco said:
Mothersruin said:
Indeed - in SF circles, the US aren't held up as anywhere near the best.
My late father in law was in the Army in WW2 and he reckoned they were as often as not in more danger from the American allies than from the enemy.A well known saying from the time was....
When the Luftwaffe flew over, all the Allies took cover.
When the RAF flew over the Germans took cover.
When the Yanks flew over, every f
ker took cover.motco said:
Mothersruin said:
Indeed - in SF circles, the US aren't held up as anywhere near the best.
My late father in law was in the Army in WW2 and he reckoned they were as often as not in more danger from the American allies than from the enemy.That said, it does need to be quantified that they are still very good, just not the best and certainly not as good as they think they are, which has also led them to attempt stuff they shouldn't have, if that makes sense.
Efbe said:
Whilst I think dropping phones in may not work, it is quite similar to what I have suggested should have been done a few times,
That is making tech like this available to North Koreans for very cheap.
It seems to be what the chinese are doing given the incredibly cheap phones that are available there now, but there needs to be more of this, and allowing the chinese to get there first gives them the control of the situation which I doubt is a great thing.
It should have been SK swamping NK with cheap tech. They have the skills, technology and money to do this, however with the aid of the wonderful US and their plans, an impenetrable barrier still exists between the countries. This is what needs fixing to end this situation.
A fair amount of the population know what's going on via smuggled DVDs/sticks etc already.That is making tech like this available to North Koreans for very cheap.
It seems to be what the chinese are doing given the incredibly cheap phones that are available there now, but there needs to be more of this, and allowing the chinese to get there first gives them the control of the situation which I doubt is a great thing.
It should have been SK swamping NK with cheap tech. They have the skills, technology and money to do this, however with the aid of the wonderful US and their plans, an impenetrable barrier still exists between the countries. This is what needs fixing to end this situation.
What do you suppose they do?
Funkycoldribena said:
Efbe said:
Whilst I think dropping phones in may not work, it is quite similar to what I have suggested should have been done a few times,
That is making tech like this available to North Koreans for very cheap.
It seems to be what the chinese are doing given the incredibly cheap phones that are available there now, but there needs to be more of this, and allowing the chinese to get there first gives them the control of the situation which I doubt is a great thing.
It should have been SK swamping NK with cheap tech. They have the skills, technology and money to do this, however with the aid of the wonderful US and their plans, an impenetrable barrier still exists between the countries. This is what needs fixing to end this situation.
A fair amount of the population know what's going on via smuggled DVDs/sticks etc already.That is making tech like this available to North Koreans for very cheap.
It seems to be what the chinese are doing given the incredibly cheap phones that are available there now, but there needs to be more of this, and allowing the chinese to get there first gives them the control of the situation which I doubt is a great thing.
It should have been SK swamping NK with cheap tech. They have the skills, technology and money to do this, however with the aid of the wonderful US and their plans, an impenetrable barrier still exists between the countries. This is what needs fixing to end this situation.
What do you suppose they do?
I suspect it will take well over a decade for this to build up, but it's this internal pressure to change that is essential to a peaceful improvement of their situation. Whilst there are examples of internal pressure providing peaceful resolutions, there are no examples of military actions doing the same.
I have no idea what the end position would look like, probably a unified korea, which is what the people's of both south and north korea seem to want.
We are so incredibly far from this end goal though, but it's not like this situation is going to resolve itself if all parties carry on as they have been.
Efbe said:
nothing yet, just talking between themselves, and a steady increase of this information network..
I suspect it will take well over a decade for this to build up, but it's this internal pressure to change that is essential to a peaceful improvement of their situation. Whilst there are examples of internal pressure providing peaceful resolutions, there are no examples of military actions doing the same.
I have no idea what the end position would look like, probably a unified korea, which is what the people's of both south and north korea seem to want.
We are so incredibly far from this end goal though, but it's not like this situation is going to resolve itself if all parties carry on as they have been.
Its probably been over a decade now that substantial information has been sneaking in and nothing remotely has changed.I suspect it will take well over a decade for this to build up, but it's this internal pressure to change that is essential to a peaceful improvement of their situation. Whilst there are examples of internal pressure providing peaceful resolutions, there are no examples of military actions doing the same.
I have no idea what the end position would look like, probably a unified korea, which is what the people's of both south and north korea seem to want.
We are so incredibly far from this end goal though, but it's not like this situation is going to resolve itself if all parties carry on as they have been.
Not a hope under such a brutal regime.
Your peaceful thinking is pie in the sky.
Funkycoldribena said:
Its probably been over a decade now that substantial information has been sneaking in and nothing remotely has changed.
Not a hope under such a brutal regime.
Your peaceful thinking is pie in the sky.
I mean another decade at least in addition to wht there has already beenNot a hope under such a brutal regime.
Your peaceful thinking is pie in the sky.
This should have started long ago, but at least now the goal should be to minimise the border allow travel, trade etc.
None of that can happen with the current US attitude
mko9 said:
glazbagun said:
Plus the US/SK are holding annual military exercises off their coastline. I may not like Teresa May, but if the USSR and Ireland were holding exercises of our coast, replacing her would be down my list of priorities.
Not off the North Korean coastline. In and around South Korea.How dare the French conduct military exercises within their territorial waters and airspace, practicing to counter a British invasion of their territory! We should threaten to destroy their country!!
Globs said:
Additionally TWICE a year the US and SK have huge military exercises to practice aggression, assault and murder including landing on beaches and invasion of the foreign sovereign country of NK - so the average NK is taught extremely well by the US with bi-annual refresher courses who their real enemy is.
Actually, the exercise scenarios are a response to a North Korean invasion. The spring exercise, RSO&I (Reception, staging, onward movement, and integration) is specifically about how to get military forces up to the front through the millions of civilians fleeing a North Korean attack.glazbagun said:
mko9 said:
glazbagun said:
Plus the US/SK are holding annual military exercises off their coastline. I may not like Teresa May, but if the USSR and Ireland were holding exercises of our coast, replacing her would be down my list of priorities.
Not off the North Korean coastline. In and around South Korea.How dare the French conduct military exercises within their territorial waters and airspace, practicing to counter a British invasion of their territory! We should threaten to destroy their country!!
Globs said:
Additionally TWICE a year the US and SK have huge military exercises to practice aggression, assault and murder including landing on beaches and invasion of the foreign sovereign country of NK - so the average NK is taught extremely well by the US with bi-annual refresher courses who their real enemy is.
Actually, the exercise scenarios are a response to a North Korean invasion. The spring exercise, RSO&I (Reception, staging, onward movement, and integration) is specifically about how to get military forces up to the front through the millions of civilians fleeing a North Korean attack.glazbagun said:
mko9 said:
glazbagun said:
Plus the US/SK are holding annual military exercises off their coastline. I may not like Teresa May, but if the USSR and Ireland were holding exercises of our coast, replacing her would be down my list of priorities.
Not off the North Korean coastline. In and around South Korea.How dare the French conduct military exercises within their territorial waters and airspace, practicing to counter a British invasion of their territory! We should threaten to destroy their country!!
Globs said:
Additionally TWICE a year the US and SK have huge military exercises to practice aggression, assault and murder including landing on beaches and invasion of the foreign sovereign country of NK - so the average NK is taught extremely well by the US with bi-annual refresher courses who their real enemy is.
Actually, the exercise scenarios are a response to a North Korean invasion. The spring exercise, RSO&I (Reception, staging, onward movement, and integration) is specifically about how to get military forces up to the front through the millions of civilians fleeing a North Korean attack.mko9 said:
Given the nature of information flow to the populace of North Korea, it is irrelevant what the US and SK are doing. NK can say anything they want, the NK populace is in no position to refute their claims or disbelieve what they are told.
Correct. Even if you did have strong evidence that your dear leader was being a complete tt and had been lying to the populace for years - are YOU gonna stick your neck out...?Nope.
"We should clearly show the big power chauvinists how our state attain the goal of completing its nuclear force despite their limitless sanctions and blockade," Mr Kim was quoted as saying by the KCNA.
Do you think that when a western leader is quoted in Chosŏn-mal they also either mistranslate, direct translate or just fail to correct it so that it makes that western leader look primitive and stupid?
Do you think that when a western leader is quoted in Chosŏn-mal they also either mistranslate, direct translate or just fail to correct it so that it makes that western leader look primitive and stupid?
He's clearly stated that he after 'equilibrium' with the US in terms of the capability to deliver nuclear devastation.
Once he's happy that he can enter any future meetings/negotiations with the US without having to worry about the US military then things will rachet down (just as they have with Russia and China) and a detente will take over.
Everybody will then get used to a slighly tweaked World Order where each time a state becomes nuclear armed and thus stronger the US becomes slighly weaker and we move towards a level playing field for everyone.
After all, there are currently only 8 countries that can expect to never be invaded and they all have Nuclear arms. NK will join that set as, within 150 years will most other countries.
Once he's happy that he can enter any future meetings/negotiations with the US without having to worry about the US military then things will rachet down (just as they have with Russia and China) and a detente will take over.
Everybody will then get used to a slighly tweaked World Order where each time a state becomes nuclear armed and thus stronger the US becomes slighly weaker and we move towards a level playing field for everyone.
After all, there are currently only 8 countries that can expect to never be invaded and they all have Nuclear arms. NK will join that set as, within 150 years will most other countries.
Driller said:
... Do you think that when a western leader is quoted in Chos?n-mal they also either mistranslate, direct translate or just fail to correct it so that it makes that western leader look primitive and stupid?
How does one make Trump look primitive and stupid?Oh, sorry, you already said, direct translate.
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