Max Verstappen

[anonymous-user]

Muzzer79 said:

Please….be serious,

Let’s be objective, nobody got hurt, F1 is littered with stories of drivers racing through much worse than a concussion - good idea or not.

It shouldn’t be encouraged but retrospectively punishing it is just anti-Verstappen rhetoric (and I’m not a fan of his)

+1

Mansell raced with a broken foot.
True Grit.

[paulguitar]

Bo_apex said:

Muzzer79 said:

Please….be serious,

Let’s be objective, nobody got hurt, F1 is littered with stories of drivers racing through much worse than a concussion - good idea or not.

It shouldn’t be encouraged but retrospectively punishing it is just anti-Verstappen rhetoric (and I’m not a fan of his)

+1

Mansell raced with a broken foot.
True Grit.

When Paul Newman was asked to give his opinion on Nigel Mansell, he said:

‘I don’t say this lightly. Nigel is a very, very fine actor’.

[anonymous-user]

paulguitar said:

Bo_apex said:

Muzzer79 said:

Please….be serious,

Let’s be objective, nobody got hurt, F1 is littered with stories of drivers racing through much worse than a concussion - good idea or not.

It shouldn’t be encouraged but retrospectively punishing it is just anti-Verstappen rhetoric (and I’m not a fan of his)

+1

Mansell raced with a broken foot.
True Grit.

When Paul Newman was asked to give his opinion on Nigel Mansell, he said:

‘I don’t say this lightly. Nigel is a very, very fine actor’.

Takes one to know one.

Are you claiming Mansell didn't race with a broken foot ?

[MarkwG]

Bo_apex said:

paulguitar said:

Bo_apex said:

Muzzer79 said:

Please….be serious,

Let’s be objective, nobody got hurt, F1 is littered with stories of drivers racing through much worse than a concussion - good idea or not.

It shouldn’t be encouraged but retrospectively punishing it is just anti-Verstappen rhetoric (and I’m not a fan of his)

+1

Mansell raced with a broken foot.
True Grit.

When Paul Newman was asked to give his opinion on Nigel Mansell, he said:

‘I don’t say this lightly. Nigel is a very, very fine actor’.

Takes one to know one.

Are you claiming Mansell didn't race with a broken foot ?

I agree, Paul Newman was one of the finest actors of his generation, as well as a pretty good racing driver. Many drivers defer non essential treatment to the season end, they don't always make a big deal of it, though

[paulguitar]

I love Nigel but he was a massive drama queen.

[MarkwG]

paulguitar said:

I love Nigel but he was a massive drama queen.

It was his "thing" I think, & it may have been genuine, wore a bit thin with me at times, though.

[Bas Jaski]

Hustle_ said:

You appear to be arguing that... It wasn't a mistake on Max's part that he went off at Copse? That the rain cruelly conspired against him in a discriminate manner?

That's why everyone is taking the mick.

If it wasn't a mistake then what was it?
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Verstap1pen very rarely makes unforced errors, and in the changeable conditions he was far from the only one to go off. However he is not immune. It was a rare Verstappen unforced error in tricky conditions. At least he did it on a quick lap whereas I'm sure I heard Perez was on an out lap!

no, i'm calling it a stretch to call it a mistake because the conditions changed vs the last time he went through. The moment the rain falls no one entering the corner knows exactly how much water there is or isn't, especially if you're one of the very first cars through in a rapidly changing track.

Did he slow down? Yes
Did he slow down enough? Clearly not
Did he have ANY indication how much he should or shouldn't have slowed by? No (given that Russell was 1st to hit and was just a few seconds ahead of him, no time for pitwall to react in time, in fact they didn't react at all).

[PhillipM]

Every rally driver in the world called, they want to know if they can use that in their excuse book.

[fttm]

PhillipM said:

Every rally driver in the world called, they want to know if they can use that in their excuse book.

[anonymous_user]

Bas Jaski said:

no, i'm calling it a stretch to call it a mistake because the conditions changed vs the last time he went through.

did he have a mechanical failure? was there a force majeure? no ...then it was a mistake

btw, im still struggling to find anything to indicate that Russell went off too? can you point me to where you saw that? as the tracker has him doing a sector 2 of 42s, roughly the same as Bottas who was the next car on the scene

[sandman77]

Bas Jaski said:

Did he slow down enough? Clearly not.

Definitely not a mistake then.

[TheDeuce]

Bas Jaski said:

Hustle_ said:

You appear to be arguing that... It wasn't a mistake on Max's part that he went off at Copse? That the rain cruelly conspired against him in a discriminate manner?

That's why everyone is taking the mick.

If it wasn't a mistake then what was it?
1

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Verstap1pen very rarely makes unforced errors, and in the changeable conditions he was far from the only one to go off. However he is not immune. It was a rare Verstappen unforced error in tricky conditions. At least he did it on a quick lap whereas I'm sure I heard Perez was on an out lap!

no, i'm calling it a stretch to call it a mistake because the conditions changed vs the last time he went through. The moment the rain falls no one entering the corner knows exactly how much water there is or isn't, especially if you're one of the very first cars through in a rapidly changing track.

Did he slow down? Yes
Did he slow down enough? Clearly not
Did he have ANY indication how much he should or shouldn't have slowed by? No (given that Russell was 1st to hit and was just a few seconds ahead of him, no time for pitwall to react in time, in fact they didn't react at all).

Pfft.

So if I'm driving and there's a puddle in the road, round a corner up ahead that nobody told me about... I'm going so fast I aquaplane when I hit it and shunt into a kerb. That's the fault of someone else who could have told me to expect the puddle?

[paulguitar]

This is all very silly and shows that some people find themselves pretty much in a cult. Verstappen cannot, would not, must not have been able to make a mistake. Couldn't have happened.

The weather was involved in a conspiracy against him.

[Bas Jaski]

anonymous_user said:

btw, im still struggling to find anything to indicate that Russell went off too? can you point me to where you saw that? as the tracker has him doing a sector 2 of 42s, roughly the same as Bottas who was the next car on the scene

I use multiviewer so can select any driver camera synced to time of session (+track map etc etc etc), russell was about 4-5 seconds ahead of Max and went off on the same lap.

It also gets all the audio traffic between driver/team and Max wasn't warned that Copse was wet.

[Bas Jaski]

paulguitar said:

This is all very silly and shows that some people find themselves pretty much in a cult. Verstappen cannot, would not, must not have been able to make a mistake. Couldn't have happened.

The weather was involved in a conspiracy against him.

Only people that have such an intense dislike that you have to insist to call a sudden change of circumstances a ''mistake'' I guess.

If that's what make you people sleep better, call it a mistake all you like then. Maybe you're a little culty too, paul.

[paulguitar]

Bas Jaski said:

paulguitar said:

This is all very silly and shows that some people find themselves pretty much in a cult. Verstappen cannot, would not, must not have been able to make a mistake. Couldn't have happened.

The weather was involved in a conspiracy against him.

Only people that have such an intense dislike that you have to insist to call a sudden change of circumstances a ''mistake'' I guess.

If that's what make you people sleep better, call it a mistake all you like then. Maybe you're a little culty too, paul.

Who are 'you people'?


I don't dislike Max Verstappen, let alone 'intensely dislike' him. I think he has some dodgy people around him and would benefit significantly from a change of team. But no particular issues with him, other than some of his on-track behaviour.


Your complete unwillingness to accept that running off the circuit was a mistake is illogical Yes, he arrived and found less grip, but so did Hamilton and Russel in the race when they both went off. They both made mistakes in doing so.

[TheDeuce]

Bas Jaski said:

paulguitar said:

This is all very silly and shows that some people find themselves pretty much in a cult. Verstappen cannot, would not, must not have been able to make a mistake. Couldn't have happened.

The weather was involved in a conspiracy against him.

Only people that have such an intense dislike that you have to insist to call a sudden change of circumstances a ''mistake'' I guess.

If that's what make you people sleep better, call it a mistake all you like then. Maybe you're a little culty too, paul.

The weather was changing, he pushed his luck - that was the mistake.

We can all understand why he pushed his luck and maintained pace. 99% of the time nothing bad would have happened, but like ALL drivers he has the option to play it a little safe in changeable conditions. He made his choice, he came unstuck.

[honda_exige]

Fwiw I would count it as a small error. My main takeaway however is that the fact such a tiny thing has generated so much discussion just goes to show how faultless Max has been over the past few years.

If you applied the same analysis to every Leclerc race weekend the thread would be 1000s of pages long!

[paulguitar]

honda_exige said:

Fwiw I would count it as a small error. My main takeaway however is that the fact such a tiny thing has generated so much discussion just goes to show how faultless Max has been over the past few years.

If you applied the same analysis to every Leclerc race weekend the thread would be 1000s of pages long!

For 2 years plus, he's not had to stretch himself enough for mistakes to be likely. Now that his significant car advantage is no longer there, he's making some.


Personally, I'm loving F1 since we got competition back. And, even allowing for some mistakes, Verstappen is still at a very high level. I thought his Silverstone race was top drawer.

[Hustle_]

Can’t wait to see what kind of reaction we get out of Max when Toto comes on the radio when he’s at the turn-in point at Copse to warn him that it’s raining