New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 2)
Discussion
Tyre Smoke said:
Mr Pushfit will you make one of those Coke and Mentos ones please? And come around to my place and let it go? Uncle Donkey won't let me have one. Says I'm too negative.
Update: space rocket prototype facilities are being set up near the main site. Deposit holders will be given encrypted updates to The coke bottle will continue to be paraded at space events while we have a jolly.
Truly is remarkable about the ' joys' of forums. Accusations of lying which now in writing are part of legal record. Les could have said so many more things over the times there has been silence. Some on here would have loved to have heard lots of promises being broken and then accused those who've put so much of their own money into the project of breaking those promises or perhaps "lying" even more. The silence has been crap but at the same time, being completely honest about having failed funding or deposits being withdrawn wouldn't exactly do the prospects of future success much good at all either. I think they're now much more of the belief that if they can't say anything positive, they won't say anything at all for the moment.
In reality, the vast majority of people who matter almost certainly aren't on this forum (and yes, that includes me as a deposit holder). Those that matter are those who will buy the car if/when it gets launched - not those who have slagged off the styling (which didn't cause deposit holders or those at the reveals an issue originally) or those who have no interest in playing £100K on a TVR. Plenty of cars have been dismissed on forums on PH and been a massive success for their companies (plus those which haven't).
Really don't see the point in arguments on here. Obviously everyone entitled to their opinion but those who now just sound like they want the project to fail and who feel like they have been lied to perhaps leave those that don't feel that way (those who have money involved) to remain positive?
In reality, the vast majority of people who matter almost certainly aren't on this forum (and yes, that includes me as a deposit holder). Those that matter are those who will buy the car if/when it gets launched - not those who have slagged off the styling (which didn't cause deposit holders or those at the reveals an issue originally) or those who have no interest in playing £100K on a TVR. Plenty of cars have been dismissed on forums on PH and been a massive success for their companies (plus those which haven't).
Really don't see the point in arguments on here. Obviously everyone entitled to their opinion but those who now just sound like they want the project to fail and who feel like they have been lied to perhaps leave those that don't feel that way (those who have money involved) to remain positive?
When statements are printed by TVR like this, and then followed by the second and the third, people will become disillusioned. I don't think these are lies. Its more Edgar getting carried away before any deal or finance was in place.
1. On top of all the above, we have been presented with a couple of very significant and exciting opportunities that will hugely expand our overall business plan and guarantee not only our short-term success, but also ensure that our 10-year plan can be delivered while enabling us to grow far faster than we ever envisaged when we embarked on this journey – in terms of model platforms, territories, and sales volumes. We are in discussions with a couple of major potential partners in this respect, and will share the news when we are able to, and meanwhile make no apology for ensuring we don’t trip over our shoelaces in finalising what will be the most important deal in the history of TVR, by a huge factor.
27/10/18 (printed in TVRCC)
2. The expenditure on further development was already in our original business plan, but to bring the development forward we can’t fund it from cashflow generated by sales so are raising the finance externally – more on which in another update soon, together with the ‘BIG NEWS’ which is not only still coming, but getting even bigger (hence the reason it’s still coming!).
Additionally, we plan to allocate additional funds to accelerate start of production in Wales, in order to recover some of the time lost due to the above delays. We hope to be able to make a formal announcement that works are under way on or shortly after 15th January.
26/2/19 (printed in TVRCC)
3. We have had a number of serious offers but I have to choose the right partner for all of us. As is often the case, we thought we were ‘there’ with two counterparties (this in fact was the ‘Big News’ we alluded to in a previous update) but for the reasons above, the deals and the counterparties weren’t right. We’re determined not to compromise, even if it means delay, as we’ve always said, and we aren’t going to back off or fail to deliver.
Of course, we have to make money to survive and grow and, for all the reasons previously explained, the cash requirement has grown. That means raising more than we had planned in order to grow our business in the way we need to. We’re doing that and now working on the best alternatives.
31/8/19 (printed in TVRCC)
If you play the fish on your line for too long, there's every chance you will lose them.
1. On top of all the above, we have been presented with a couple of very significant and exciting opportunities that will hugely expand our overall business plan and guarantee not only our short-term success, but also ensure that our 10-year plan can be delivered while enabling us to grow far faster than we ever envisaged when we embarked on this journey – in terms of model platforms, territories, and sales volumes. We are in discussions with a couple of major potential partners in this respect, and will share the news when we are able to, and meanwhile make no apology for ensuring we don’t trip over our shoelaces in finalising what will be the most important deal in the history of TVR, by a huge factor.
27/10/18 (printed in TVRCC)
2. The expenditure on further development was already in our original business plan, but to bring the development forward we can’t fund it from cashflow generated by sales so are raising the finance externally – more on which in another update soon, together with the ‘BIG NEWS’ which is not only still coming, but getting even bigger (hence the reason it’s still coming!).
Additionally, we plan to allocate additional funds to accelerate start of production in Wales, in order to recover some of the time lost due to the above delays. We hope to be able to make a formal announcement that works are under way on or shortly after 15th January.
26/2/19 (printed in TVRCC)
3. We have had a number of serious offers but I have to choose the right partner for all of us. As is often the case, we thought we were ‘there’ with two counterparties (this in fact was the ‘Big News’ we alluded to in a previous update) but for the reasons above, the deals and the counterparties weren’t right. We’re determined not to compromise, even if it means delay, as we’ve always said, and we aren’t going to back off or fail to deliver.
Of course, we have to make money to survive and grow and, for all the reasons previously explained, the cash requirement has grown. That means raising more than we had planned in order to grow our business in the way we need to. We’re doing that and now working on the best alternatives.
31/8/19 (printed in TVRCC)
If you play the fish on your line for too long, there's every chance you will lose them.
Edited by N7GTX on Sunday 5th April 23:44
I simply think that time and circumstance have made the project pretty much dead in the water and that isn't the fault of Les & Co.
They obviously had the most honourable of intentions and never set out to purposefully deceive anyone but they are just out of their depth in the current climate.
It’s a huge shame as I really wanted to see TVR return but I just don’t see how it can, unless they change direction dramatically - but then it wouldn’t really be a TVR would it?
They obviously had the most honourable of intentions and never set out to purposefully deceive anyone but they are just out of their depth in the current climate.
It’s a huge shame as I really wanted to see TVR return but I just don’t see how it can, unless they change direction dramatically - but then it wouldn’t really be a TVR would it?
cirks said:
Truly is remarkable about the ' joys' of forums. Accusations of lying which now in writing are part of legal record. Les could have said so many more things over the times there has been silence. Some on here would have loved to have heard lots of promises being broken and then accused those who've put so much of their own money into the project of breaking those promises or perhaps "lying" even more. The silence has been crap but at the same time, being completely honest about having failed funding or deposits being withdrawn wouldn't exactly do the prospects of future success much good at all either. I think they're now much more of the belief that if they can't say anything positive, they won't say anything at all for the moment.
In reality, the vast majority of people who matter almost certainly aren't on this forum (and yes, that includes me as a deposit holder). Those that matter are those who will buy the car if/when it gets launched - not those who have slagged off the styling (which didn't cause deposit holders or those at the reveals an issue originally) or those who have no interest in playing £100K on a TVR. Plenty of cars have been dismissed on forums on PH and been a massive success for their companies (plus those which haven't).
Really don't see the point in arguments on here. Obviously everyone entitled to their opinion but those who now just sound like they want the project to fail and who feel like they have been lied to perhaps leave those that don't feel that way (those who have money involved) to remain positive?
^^^^^ this. In reality, the vast majority of people who matter almost certainly aren't on this forum (and yes, that includes me as a deposit holder). Those that matter are those who will buy the car if/when it gets launched - not those who have slagged off the styling (which didn't cause deposit holders or those at the reveals an issue originally) or those who have no interest in playing £100K on a TVR. Plenty of cars have been dismissed on forums on PH and been a massive success for their companies (plus those which haven't).
Really don't see the point in arguments on here. Obviously everyone entitled to their opinion but those who now just sound like they want the project to fail and who feel like they have been lied to perhaps leave those that don't feel that way (those who have money involved) to remain positive?
Tyre Smoke said:
Cirks, you make a very valid point. There's 'talking it up' and getting carried away and then 'secret' updates. And there's silence.
There should have been something in between. Because I think we can all agree, it's been a PR disaster.
Your brilliant at stating the obvious. That’s it! There should have been something in between. Because I think we can all agree, it's been a PR disaster.
Any new start up has many difficulties, the fact this start up has a pile of people just waiting to say I told you so just shows how negative those people are. Very few depositors come on here whinging on, most probably understand the risks so don’t waste their time pointing out the bleeding obvious. You son are two years behind the game and just dragging up the same s
t we talked about 2 years ago. I’d they have any hope and one of those is Bob so a slim chance of success now people constantly looking for failing are just ramming it into the dirt. We TVR supporters should be behind it or stay quiet because nothing anyone on here has ever said has actually helped them.
I admire the team for dreaming, I feel sad they have to take such abuse. They tried didn’t they.
Present conditions around the world suggest this car and much of what is said on here is now completely irrelevant.
So either get behind it or let it die in peace.
Tyre Smoke said:
What a condescending arrogant idiot you are.
So we should all be happy clappy because you and your fellow happy clappers say so? Question nothing? Discuss nothing?
What is the point of a forum then?
It’s all been discussed.So we should all be happy clappy because you and your fellow happy clappers say so? Question nothing? Discuss nothing?
What is the point of a forum then?
Over and over.
Have you got anything new to say?
Tyre Smoke said:
What a condescending arrogant idiot you are.
So we should all be happy clappy because you and your fellow happy clappers say so? Question nothing? Discuss nothing?
What is the point of a forum then?
Why do you constantly think that anyone who doesn’t hold your strong opinion is looking down on you or some kind of idiot? So we should all be happy clappy because you and your fellow happy clappers say so? Question nothing? Discuss nothing?
What is the point of a forum then?
You chaps have been practically ranting for years about things like it not being a TVR, no one will buy one to they will never build one to the latest, it’s a fraud and if anyone has dared to voice an alternate view you’ve rounded on them like a playground gang first wailing that they’ve insulted you and then lobbing out a load of insults.
You’re right, this is a forum and it’s purpose is discussion. As such you should give it a go.
Ignoring any alternate view to your own, calling people names, claiming unsubstantiated thoughts as facts, rounding on posters in a little gang and basically calling people fraudsters is not generally recognised as discussion but more childish playground bullying.
If you read my posts, I've done none of that.
I am a TVR enthusiast. I've owned two. I wanted the Newco to succeed. I have repeatedly stated this. I actually agreed with Cirks earlier today. But that again brought out the bully boy tactics. Just accept that we a have different views. And move on. You and your cronies have an unfortunate arrogance and chip on your shoulder about TVR.
I am a TVR enthusiast. I've owned two. I wanted the Newco to succeed. I have repeatedly stated this. I actually agreed with Cirks earlier today. But that again brought out the bully boy tactics. Just accept that we a have different views. And move on. You and your cronies have an unfortunate arrogance and chip on your shoulder about TVR.
Tyre Smoke said:
If you read my posts, I've done none of that.
I am a TVR enthusiast. I've owned two. I wanted the Newco to succeed. I have repeatedly stated this. I actually agreed with Cirks earlier today. But that again brought out the bully boy tactics. Just accept that we a have different views. And move on. You and your cronies have an unfortunate arrogance and chip on your shoulder about TVR.
You have and you’ve just done it in this post. You and others have systematically rounded on anyone who hasn’t held your opinion for the last couple of years, some of you from the outset. Even when trying to defend your view in this exact post you resort to insults. You can’t demand discussion while trying to sI am a TVR enthusiast. I've owned two. I wanted the Newco to succeed. I have repeatedly stated this. I actually agreed with Cirks earlier today. But that again brought out the bully boy tactics. Just accept that we a have different views. And move on. You and your cronies have an unfortunate arrogance and chip on your shoulder about TVR.
t down discussion. You can’t play the victim card while victimising others. And some of the posts from your side of the fence have been reprehensible. Just let others post their views without trying to s
t them down with cries of victimisation and insults and if you disagree with a point then discuss it instead of ignoring it or mocking it. You may not even realise it but you and others have lowered the discussion to basic playground bullying.
Silenceisgolden said:
Does anybody know if that film crew are still following Les around and if/when the "Rise & Fall of TVR" documentary will be aired for us all to see. Maybe Shmee150 could shed some light as even he sounded quite negative on his last vlog.
Shmee - the one man band independent guy who happens to have a camera. The same Shmee who became TVR’s only effective PR and even he only found the Prototype was in London via a tip-off and then they drove the prototype through a gap too small for him to follow. The bloke needs a medal for being a bastion of PR for TVR in the face of being left on the sidelines.
Tyre Smoke said:
Not at all. Reread what you have posted. No better than me.
Just chill out. And discuss. Like grown ups.
Dude, you have done nothing but have a pop at me since I returned to this thread after giving up on it a year or two ago precisely because of the sad attitude of a vocal minority. Just chill out. And discuss. Like grown ups.
I’m pleased that you want TVR to succeed as we all do but all I am doing is posting about my view, as others have dared to and you and others have just been rounding on people for the last couple of years. It’s just become a habit as seen in your post above where you claim in para 1 to not be insulting people and then finish your post in para 2 by insulting people.
No one is talking down to anyone, people are just trying to talk about stuff so why not just leave that group of people who are deriding others, demanding that they should be treated in a special way and making completely false claims and return to being a TVR fan chatting over stuff while we wait, hoping that they can get the funding desperately needed to go into pre-production at just about the worst time ever to be trying to resurrect the brand that we live so much?
DonkeyApple said:
You may not even realise it but you and others have lowered the discussion to basic playground bullying.
That comment is not worthy of you DA. You post some good stuff, a lot of which certainly goes over my head re the financial aspects, but just because we share differing views and we all express those views, sometimes quite vociferously, it is not bullying and I for one resent that inference.
This is an open debate, we all have differing views, let's keep it like that without making senseless accusations
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