45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)

[Eric Mc]

liner33 said:

Is anyone following the Roger Stone story ?

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/20/politics/roger-...

The more you read about this guy the more corrupt he appears

Some of these people are borderline insane. Stone comes across as somewhat mad.

[Gameface]

liner33 said:

The more you read about this guy the more corrupt he appears

You could apply that to any of Trumps circle though really

[liner33]

Gameface said:

You could apply that to any of Trumps circle though really

True but this guy maybe the puppet master

He said something along the lines of "I'm a jockey not a racehorse so that's why we got Donald to run for president"

His links with Assange and references to the DNC emails are very suspect.

[Byker28i]

liner33 said:

Gameface said:

His links with Assange and references to the DNC emails are very suspect.

Thats the understatement of the day!

Boasted about his links with Gucifer 2.0. Boasted about the hacked emails before they were released on Inforwars with Alex Jones, said on that interview he'd spoken to trump about them.

Stones had a habit of surviving, turning witness before for the FBI when he nearly went to jail, I think this time they don't need him as his partners are busy selling him out.

And yes we discussed this monday as a reason trump went apest on twitter

Roger Stone went on Meet The Press this morning and publicly acknowledged that he’s going to be indicted and arrested and that he's preparing his defence, which seemed as weak as Manaforts attempts, that Mueller was acting outside his remit.
We know Stone handled Assange connections and the stolen DNC emails through the hacker Gucifer 2.0 who was actually a russian GRU officer. We know he told trump about this as the timeline was exactly at the same time trump was calling for russia to hack Clintons emails.
Not only that but Roger Stone has known trump for a long time, several decades, been involved with his business deals etc.

Stones got caught lying to congress, like many of team trump, so thats perjury for starters, but more likely he'll be charged with conspiracy against the United States - effectively treason.

Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 23 May 10:25

[liner33]

I think Mueller has him rattled for sure

[Byker28i]

liner33 said:

I think Mueller has him rattled for sure

It's been a good week for Mueller, bad for team trump
Michael Cohen’s business partner flipped on him yesterday
Paul Manafort’s former son-in-law flipped on him over the weekend.
Roger Stone went on Meet The Press on Sunday and confirmed that, based on what he’s gathered from the eight associates who have testified against him, he expects to be indicted and arrested.

[liner33]

Byker28i said:

It's been a good week for Mueller, bad for team trump
Michael Cohen’s business partner flipped on him yesterday
Paul Manafort’s former son-in-law flipped on him over the weekend.
Roger Stone went on Meet The Press on Sunday and confirmed that, based on what he’s gathered from the eight associates who have testified against him, he expects to be indicted and arrested.

and Trump couldnt get Rod Rosenstien to resign despite his best efforts

[Byker28i]

Giuliani's new defence is also incredible.

So what if we had the hacked dirt on Clinton. It wasn't illegal, it was a gift...

Giuliani initially disputed the notion that Trump’s daily citing, in the final month of his campaign, of Russian-aligned WikiLeaks and its release of Russian-stolen emails constituted “colluding” with Russia.

“It is not,” Giuliani said.

Then he switched tacks.

“OK, and if it is, it isn’t illegal... It was sort of like a gift,” he said. “And you’re not involved in the illegality of getting it.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trump-giuli...

[Byker28i]

Byker28i said:

Eric Mc said:

Byker28i said:

Which brings the interesting question, was it Broidy that got the playboy bunny pregnant or was he taking the fall for someone, who needed Cohen to arrange another NDA and payment...

The $64,0000 question in my mind.

New Yorker magazine are running more about this, with the allegation it was trump that got playboy model Shera bechard pregnant and Broidy took the fall and made the payment for the NDA as a favour to trump. Broidy's company then picked up several defence contracts
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/more-...

Byker28i said:

A Virginia-based security firm called Circinus LLC, is owned by Broidy and has secured at least $800 million in foreign defense contracts since Trump took office. All of those payouts came after Broidy reportedly worked his contacts in D.C.—including Trump—to advocate for positions favorable to the countries that Circinus now lists as clients.

In addition to its newfound international fortune, Circinus received Defense Department payments totalling more than $4 million in August and September 2017, the largest in the company’s history, a review of available contracts found.

Prior to 2017 the company had earnt just $7501 for it's defence contract work

https://www.thedailybeast.com/elliott-broidys-comp...

What swamp draining...

Trump speech yesterday - and on his twitter
"For the first time since Roe v. Wade, America has a Pro-Life President, a Pro-Life Vice President, a Pro-Life House of Representatives and 25 Pro-Life Republican State Capitals!"

Be amazing if the playboy model abortion turned out to be his...

[Prolex-UK]

Byker28i said:

Avenatti is claiming Cohens team are leaking selected audio tapes to discredit Stormy Daniels.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/3...

What I take from that is that it validates the report that Cohen taped conversations, which means there will be others with trump etc.

Why discredit her FFS ?

Trump is the one who cheated on his wife...then lied about it all......

[paulguitar]

Byker28i said:

Trump speech yesterday - and on his twitter
"For the first time since Roe v. Wade, America has a Pro-Life President, a Pro-Life Vice President, a Pro-Life House of Representatives and 25 Pro-Life Republican State Capitals!"

Be amazing if the playboy model abortion turned out to be his...

It would indeed be interesting to see how the evangelists react if it were to be made known that it was trump that was responsible for the Playmate’s abortion and cover-up.


Their willingness to accept trump’s alley cat morals casts them in a very poor light, but perhaps even they have their limits eventually?

[The Dangerous Elk]

With the danger of being thrown to the WataboutLions is there not massive double standards going on here ?

Bills blow-jobs in the Whitehouse with "that woman" bordering on abuse (it would be called that in the Uk now as even leg touching is jumped on) and the "pressure" applied thereafter by Hillary/team/legal
vrs
Trumps alleged activities and the similar actions of his legals/him/team?

[captain_cynic]

The Dangerous Elk said:

With the danger of being thrown to the WataboutLions is there not massive double standards going on here ?

Bills blow-jobs in the Whitehouse with "that woman" bordering on abuse (it would be called that in the Uk now as even leg touching is jumped on) and the "pressure" applied thereafter by Hillary/team/legal
vrs
Trumps alleged activities and the similar actions of his legals/him/team?

Trump's "special" and therefore the rules that applied to Clinton (either of them) don't apply to him.

It's just a symptom of how politics has become a team sport rather than a way to run a nation in the US. Republican supporters are more concerned with the Republicans winning, than actually doing any good for the US and so the politicians have changed to accommodate this (the same can be said for the Democrats, but at least they have to pretend to do some good).

The sad thing is that the UK is heading down the same path.

[anonymous-user]

The Dangerous Elk said:

With the danger of being thrown to the WataboutLions is there not massive double standards going on here ?

Bills blow-jobs in the Whitehouse with "that woman" bordering on abuse (it would be called that in the Uk now as even leg touching is jumped on) and the "pressure" applied thereafter by Hillary/team/legal
vrs
Trumps alleged activities and the similar actions of his legals/him/team?

There are a few other factors though:

- It's tempting to judge Clinton by today's standards, but the fact is standards were different then. It's the same rabbit hole that has judging slavery by today's standards in it.

- I seem to recall that there was nothing remotely non-consensual about the relationship with Lewinsky

- Clinton was impeached off the back of that after a 2(?) year investigation by Special Counsel Kenneth Starr. By impeached I mean the process was commenced and ran through to a trial before the Senate where he was acquitted.

- I vaguely remember that Starr's initial remit was to investigate Clinton's land dealings in relation to Whitewater. The grounds of impeachment were (from memory) perjury and obstruction of justice: the grounds for impeachment arose from how Clinton dealt with and responded to a tangential investigation into Lewinsky rather than the original remit of the SC.

- As with Merrick Garland, Reps can hardly complain when their tactics are spun around and used against them.

- Trump's activities (at least to my mind) are potentially quite a bit more serious than Clinton's. Trump has a - ahem - chequered business past. His companies are heavily in debt. But as they are essentially private enterprises, the true picture of who he has borrowed from is obscure. This is why it is of genuine concern that he hasn't put his companies into a blind trust. A cynic would say that is to prevent any independent party finding out who his companies are really indebted to.

- If Trump suffers a downfall, and it remains an "if", my bet is that it will stem from a money trail. Whether what comes is an obstruction charge arising out of him protecting the secrecy of his companies' financial interests, or whether that secrecy will be blown open, who knows?

- If there is a true parallel between what Trump's legal team is doing and what Clinton's did, then it should mean that Trump ought to face impeachment, as Clinton did.

- Trump is doing something no other President has done: he is undermining the public's faith in the FBI and the DoJ. It's a basic smear campaign, that's being waged relentlessly. It is plainly being done to discredit them, and therefore to discredit any findings or charges they come up with in advance of their publication. That seems to me to flout the rule of law.

- Yet at the very same time, Trump is urging those two organisations, which he says are corrupt, to investigate his opponent and his predecessor. That's Putinesque, and I don't mean that in a good way.

[minimoog]

Babyfingers is up

[shirt]

liner33 said:

Is anyone following the Roger Stone story ?

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/20/politics/roger-...

The more you read about this guy the more corrupt he appears

Per my post the other day, watch the netflix doc ‘get me roger stone’. Trailer is on YT.

[Byker28i]

Greg66 said:

- If Trump suffers a downfall, and it remains an "if", my bet is that it will stem from a money trail. Whether what comes is an obstruction charge arising out of him protecting the secrecy of his companies' financial interests, or whether that secrecy will be blown open, who knows?

I think a year ago I would have agreed, that it would be about his money trail, where the money came from for his campaign fund.

Now I think we've also got to factor in the pay for access, payments into trumps businesses at every opportunity and trump selling his position for personal gain such as trying to relax sanctions on chinese companies after they'd funded a trump site for $500m, then there's the way Broidy got defence contracts.

But then we've had 16 months of obstruction and now it's blatant. I think there's a list of 33 individual acts of obstruction or interference.
We've also discovered that team trump was meeting with the Saudis, Israelis, Qatar, UAE as well as Russia who all offered assistance with the election, possibly as proxy nations for Russia, so collusion looked nailed on as well.

I think now they'll be multiple charges, not only for trump but also family trump and when Ivanka is charged that might actually be the point when he considers resigning. If I'm honest, I see the weight of charges against him and his family forcing him into resigning so he can continue complaining about how it was all an Obama led conspiracy.

Trumps big problem will be if the money trail is handled in a federal court outside the remit of Congress. He runs the risk of the funds being declared illegal and seized. Many of team trump are already protecting themselves, divorces, hiding documents away in anonymous storage lockers.

But hey - they've done nothing wrong. These are all the actions of innocent people...

[_dobbo_]

minimoog said:

Babyfingers is up

That can't be real? If it was a tweet I wouldn't doubt it, but that's an official press release? IS he now writing tweets into the WH press office software?

[Ructions]

_dobbo_ said:

minimoog said:

Babyfingers is up

That can't be real? If it was a tweet I wouldn't doubt it, but that's an official press release? IS he now writing tweets into the WH press office software?

He is tweeting something similar at the minute, though the above doesn't seem very official.

[minimoog]

No these aren't official press releases, apologies I forgot that bit

The text though is a real Trump tweet from just now - there's a twitter bot which re-formats them as press releases, just to emphasise how Trump's twitter proclamations, which are official, would look if he made them through traditional channels.

Here's the latest