Lewis Hamilton
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sparta6 said:
Sa Calobra said:
sparta6 said:
cb1965 said:
Kraken said:
Many people in the industry believe Mercedes were developing a long time before the actual engine format was announced.
Like who? I think this is just one of those silly rumours that gets repeated until it's 'fact'. There is no way Mercedes were going to ply huge amounts of money into developing something before it was finalised. The truth is the only advantage they did have is they were better placed than the other manufacturers to develop such an engine due to the expertise within their organisation and have ended up doing a better job. It's quite possible Merc were already going down this particular PU route for its road car development programme and had some crossover advantage into the mix.
maybe someone from Mercedes can chime in...
Although I am not in the motor manufacturing business.
As a direct consequence there is zero jealousy of any car manufacturer.
sparta6 said:
Sa Calobra said:
sparta6 said:
cb1965 said:
Kraken said:
Many people in the industry believe Mercedes were developing a long time before the actual engine format was announced.
Like who? I think this is just one of those silly rumours that gets repeated until it's 'fact'. There is no way Mercedes were going to ply huge amounts of money into developing something before it was finalised. The truth is the only advantage they did have is they were better placed than the other manufacturers to develop such an engine due to the expertise within their organisation and have ended up doing a better job. It's quite possible Merc were already going down this particular PU route for its road car development programme and had some crossover advantage into the mix.
maybe someone from Mercedes can chime in...
Although I am not in the motor manufacturing business.
As a direct consequence there is zero jealousy of any car manufacturer.
Greeny said:
sparta6 said:
Sa Calobra said:
sparta6 said:
cb1965 said:
Kraken said:
Many people in the industry believe Mercedes were developing a long time before the actual engine format was announced.
Like who? I think this is just one of those silly rumours that gets repeated until it's 'fact'. There is no way Mercedes were going to ply huge amounts of money into developing something before it was finalised. The truth is the only advantage they did have is they were better placed than the other manufacturers to develop such an engine due to the expertise within their organisation and have ended up doing a better job. It's quite possible Merc were already going down this particular PU route for its road car development programme and had some crossover advantage into the mix.
maybe someone from Mercedes can chime in...
Although I am not in the motor manufacturing business.
As a direct consequence there is zero jealousy of any car manufacturer.
Although I did find Mika Hakkinen uber cool and extradordinarily fast.
Following his terrible accident and head injury he seemed to get even faster !
cb1965 said:
Kraken said:
Many people in the industry believe Mercedes were developing a long time before the actual engine format was announced.
Like who? I think this is just one of those silly rumours that gets repeated until it's 'fact'. There is no way Mercedes were going to ply huge amounts of money into developing something before it was finalised. The truth is the only advantage they did have is they were better placed than the other manufacturers to develop such an engine due to the expertise within their organisation and have ended up doing a better job. Kraken said:
cb1965 said:
Kraken said:
Many people in the industry believe Mercedes were developing a long time before the actual engine format was announced.
Like who? I think this is just one of those silly rumours that gets repeated until it's 'fact'. There is no way Mercedes were going to ply huge amounts of money into developing something before it was finalised. The truth is the only advantage they did have is they were better placed than the other manufacturers to develop such an engine due to the expertise within their organisation and have ended up doing a better job. The teams with power with push to shape the rules to their benefit.
When Bridgestone were the supplier the tyres were developed with Ferrari. Ferrari had bespoke tyres, the teams chose from those tyres!!!
There has been a period of stability in there rules, most teams haven’t been able to catch up with Merc. Ferrari have but we’ve seen, they couldn’t bring it home.
cb1965 said:
They certainly have that sort of expertise in the business and while the team maybe based and generally British they do lean on the parent company's engineering departments when necessary. Just as they did when they were powering McLaren. I think this is a far more likely explanation as for why Mercedes got it right faster than Ferrari or Renault.
I disagree that they had expertise. The V6 in my SLK went bang and it was due to a sintered metal balance shaft gear. If they can't make a gear last 1/3 the life of the car, the expert is not the word I'd use to describe their engineering dept.I'm not bitter, despite losing around £5k on the duff engine.
sparta6 said:
Lewis Vs Max could be one of the most enthralling seasons if the Honda can get close to Merc.
We might even get a 3 way battle with Le Clerc in the mix.
Sadly I don't think Bottas will offer much competition
you missed out Vettel and Gasly there...or don't you think they will offer much competition either?We might even get a 3 way battle with Le Clerc in the mix.
Sadly I don't think Bottas will offer much competition
37chevy said:
sparta6 said:
Lewis Vs Max could be one of the most enthralling seasons if the Honda can get close to Merc.
We might even get a 3 way battle with Le Clerc in the mix.
Sadly I don't think Bottas will offer much competition
you missed out Vettel and Gasly there...or don't you think they will offer much competition either?We might even get a 3 way battle with Le Clerc in the mix.
Sadly I don't think Bottas will offer much competition
sparta6 said:
cb1965 said:
Kraken said:
Many people in the industry believe Mercedes were developing a long time before the actual engine format was announced.
Like who? I think this is just one of those silly rumours that gets repeated until it's 'fact'. There is no way Mercedes were going to ply huge amounts of money into developing something before it was finalised. The truth is the only advantage they did have is they were better placed than the other manufacturers to develop such an engine due to the expertise within their organisation and have ended up doing a better job. It's quite possible Merc were already going down this particular PU route for its road car development programme and had some crossover advantage into the mix.
Mercedes' advantage is rooted in them being the only team / manufacturer to design the engine architecture in such a way to separate the turbo from the compressor unit. This led to more power, more stored power, less turbo lag and less cooling meaning smaller side pods giving aero advantages. The homologation ruling meant that other teams were fixed to their engines for the whole of that first season. But it did not become apparent what Mercedes had done until halfway though the season - too late for the others to replicate for the following season. When the others did eventually launch their own interpretation of this, Mercedes had a two-year head start on understanding the technology and how to properly implement that technology. An advantage that remains - by an large - today.
So it really comes down to them designing the best solution, implementing with the greatest efficiency....and of course; Lewis Hamilton.
What will happen over the next couple of years is an levelling out of performance across the teams as they all get a better grip on what they are doing. The final season before the big rule changes will probably be a 'classic'....and the whole process will start again.
37chevy said:
sparta6 said:
Lewis Vs Max could be one of the most enthralling seasons if the Honda can get close to Merc.
We might even get a 3 way battle with Le Clerc in the mix.
Sadly I don't think Bottas will offer much competition
you missed out Vettel and Gasly there...or don't you think they will offer much competition either?We might even get a 3 way battle with Le Clerc in the mix.
Sadly I don't think Bottas will offer much competition
Gasly has not yet shone so brightly, but the potential seems to be there.
Deesee said:
Nice touch for him to give them something in return. Deesee said:
Very nice.That portrait of Fangio with tin helmet and goggles is a stark reminder of the incredible danger he faced !
MS 7 xWDC Trophy next...
sparta6 said:
Deesee said:
Very nice.That portrait of Fangio with tin helmet and goggles is a stark reminder of the incredible danger he faced !
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