Mileage 'correction' on a lease car
Discussion
Pacman1978 said:
nickfrog said:
So where do you draw the line ? Is petty crime not a crime ? In the society I live in, fraud is fraud, irrespective of its size.
Where about's on that line does fiddling your taxes sit? f
king hypocrite or what lol..I would appreciate a response as I certainly wouldn't want to have unwillingly done something fraudulent or indeed hypocrite that you have kindly spotted. No need to swear either on the law abiding side of society.
Pacman1978 said:
k-ink said:
Your brother is a stinking crook. Tell him to grow up and take responsibility, like a real man.
Bit harsh no? If I had been unable to work due to health reasons and had a reduced income, maybe with mouths to feed and bills to pay, I know what I'd be doing.. Hardly the crime of the century is it? If he was stealing from a hard working self employed person I'd agree, but some big multi £££ business... I doubt karma is going to be visiting him anytime soon!
I do.
He's committed fraud, and "big multi £££ businesses" don't have a sense of humour about this.
He's taken the p155 and he will end up in big trouble if caught.
When our last Mercedes E-Class went back, they sent two chaps to inspect it on collection day. The first chap plugged in a reader into the diagnostics port to check that the service resets corresponded with the service book, and that the mileage hadn't been tampered with.
At least, that's what he told me he was checking!
At least, that's what he told me he was checking!
Health problems suck but they are not really a excuse for obvious fraud 
Why on earth would you risk the stress and worry of being caught for just paying the premium per mile ?
Also I would imagine if he can go 5k over his policy in such a short space of time your brother was planning this all along? I mean would he of not used the car at all if he was at work?
Anyway as said, crook.
Why on earth would you risk the stress and worry of being caught for just paying the premium per mile ?
Also I would imagine if he can go 5k over his policy in such a short space of time your brother was planning this all along? I mean would he of not used the car at all if he was at work?
Anyway as said, crook.
Dr Interceptor said:
When our last Mercedes E-Class went back, they sent two chaps to inspect it on collection day. The first chap plugged in a reader into the diagnostics port to check that the service resets corresponded with the service book, and that the mileage hadn't been tampered with.
At least, that's what he told me he was checking!
I should imagine, as has been said, that even if they find a discrepancy like this, there's not much they can do about it. All the punter has to do is deny it. Where it might be stored in several different places (like BMWs do apparently) then finding one mileage reading different to all the others gives them some evidence, and also a true mileage to then charge for. But in just about all other cases, there's nothing they can hang their hats on. I suspect that for dealers and fleet companies, ignorance is bliss and they just take it as seen and pass it on to the auctions etc with plausible deniability. With that in mind, I'd be very surprised if the lease companies even check beyond the general condition.At least, that's what he told me he was checking!
jezzaaa said:
Dr Interceptor said:
When our last Mercedes E-Class went back, they sent two chaps to inspect it on collection day. The first chap plugged in a reader into the diagnostics port to check that the service resets corresponded with the service book, and that the mileage hadn't been tampered with.
At least, that's what he told me he was checking!
I should imagine, as has been said, that even if they find a discrepancy like this, there's not much they can do about it. All the punter has to do is deny it. Where it might be stored in several different places (like BMWs do apparently) then finding one mileage reading different to all the others gives them some evidence, and also a true mileage to then charge for. But in just about all other cases, there's nothing they can hang their hats on. I suspect that for dealers and fleet companies, ignorance is bliss and they just take it as seen and pass it on to the auctions etc with plausible deniability. With that in mind, I'd be very surprised if the lease companies even check beyond the general condition.At least, that's what he told me he was checking!
Mercedes are probably slightly more meticulous as the leases are direct with Mercedes finance, and the good cars will be put into retail, rather than just auctioned.
The lease company won't care and won't check, they'll just throw it out to auction anyway.
I've seen many lease cars returned and have never seen any diagnostics being done before it's taken away.
Depending on how far over he is, it may have been cheaper to pay the excess mileage fee anyway!!
I've seen many lease cars returned and have never seen any diagnostics being done before it's taken away.
Depending on how far over he is, it may have been cheaper to pay the excess mileage fee anyway!!
Pacman1978 said:
Rawwr said:
Does anyone on Pistonheads have any kind of moral compass?
Do you honestly believe that my opinion on the thread subject is an indicator of where my moral compass points?As said, the Lease Co won't check. The Lease Co prices its leases based on the expected auction value at lease termination. At lease termination the car will go to auction and achieve the market price for an ex lease car. The market price for an ex lease car will have the risk of clocking built in. So ladies and gentlemen, as ever, the fraudulent actions of others will be paid for by all.
The losers in this are the owners of the vehicles when they go wrong or the manufacturer's warranty repair fund/insurance assuming they can't refuse it.
It's not in the interests of lease companies or dealers to try and stop it when they benefit from it.
Lease companies want repeat customers and are not liable for repairs, dealers want low mileage stock to sell to customers with a 3rd party warranty.
I don't agree with it but the system is faulty, the UK perception that cars expire at 100k doesn't help.
It's not in the interests of lease companies or dealers to try and stop it when they benefit from it.
Lease companies want repeat customers and are not liable for repairs, dealers want low mileage stock to sell to customers with a 3rd party warranty.
I don't agree with it but the system is faulty, the UK perception that cars expire at 100k doesn't help.
Chateauneufdupape said:
k-ink said:
Your brother is a stinking crook. Tell him to grow up and take responsibility, like a real man.
I'm very aware it is illegal and a stupid thing to do, not really what I was asking. Me giving him a lecture about it won't really be of any help.
He has two options: wait it out and hope it goes unnoticed; throw himself on the mercy of the lease company/servicing dealer and confess what he's done and see if they can return the odo to the correct reading.
Option 1 has the potential for least severe and most severe outcomes, option 2 has the potential for slightly-worse-than-best-case-scenario and slightly-better-than-worst-case-scenario outcomes. Welcome to Game Theory (almost, not quite).
I have no desire to get dragged into the 'moral' issues here, but I'd be amazed if this isn't rife.
I have a lease car with a 10k mile per year (2 year lease) allowance. I will probably go slightly over this as I did 13k miles in the first year (we were looking at houses to buy, so many weeknds were spent driving around the country). I will pay the excess, I will not judge those who take a different approach. But my point is that I often wondered who the drivers are who manage to stick to a 5K per year allowance. Maybe none do!
I have a lease car with a 10k mile per year (2 year lease) allowance. I will probably go slightly over this as I did 13k miles in the first year (we were looking at houses to buy, so many weeknds were spent driving around the country). I will pay the excess, I will not judge those who take a different approach. But my point is that I often wondered who the drivers are who manage to stick to a 5K per year allowance. Maybe none do!
TTwiggy said:
I have a lease car with a 10k mile per year (2 year lease) allowance. I will probably go slightly over this as I did 13k miles in the first year (we were looking at houses to buy, so many weeknds were spent driving around the country). I will pay the excess, I will not judge those who take a different approach. But my point is that I often wondered who the drivers are who manage to stick to a 5K per year allowance. Maybe none do!
Looking at some deals, the excess mileage charge seems exceptionally good value - I think VWFS often charge 6ppm (not sure if including or plus VAT, but still very cheap). This way taking a 5K lease and paying the excess mileage can work out cheaper than paying the monthlies on a 10K lease (working out the total value against mileage allowance results in 30-50ppm over the life of the lease).Although the poster above mentioned a 33ppm charge, which obviously wouldn't work in that scenario.
Rick101 said:
My lease car is 33p per mile or something silly if I go over.
I thought I was going to be about 2K over which is quite a chunk so bought a shed to offset the miles.
Thats the proper PH way of doing things.
This will probably be my plan. That, or start using the Caterham for the station run!I thought I was going to be about 2K over which is quite a chunk so bought a shed to offset the miles.
Thats the proper PH way of doing things.
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