Why do men get punished in divorce?

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Rick101 said:

Have heard the medical angle a few times. Thankfully never been in that situation. Do hospitals regularly ask for proof of marriage? I always imagined just being asked, are you the husband and me saying yep.

I have never been asked for any evidence when doing dental stuff for the kids.

Not routinely, but I think they would do if someone else turned up and said "he's not her husband, just some boyfriend. I'm her actual sister!"

[hyphen]

Husband seeks half of wife's house, purchased with her inheritance.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4211602/Di...

Edited by hyphen on Friday 10th February 15:22

[TwigtheWonderkid]

hyphen said:

Husband seeks half of wife's house, purchased with her inheritance.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4211602/Di...

Edited by hyphen on Friday 10th February 15:22

Appears she inherited the house whilst they were still together, in which case he should get half. Money and assets that come to either person during a marriage belongs to both of them.

[Emeye]

Her side - still not convinced he should still be paying after all this time when the kids are grown up.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4215578/...

[hyphen]

Emeye said:

Her side - still not convinced he should still be paying after all this time when the kids are grown up.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4215578/...

This case is not the norm though, from my understanding, when they got divorced the husband accepted having to pay her this money in return for her 50% share of their company. What this return to court after so many years is about is the monthly amount.

In the original divorce case, the judge calculated the wife needs at £1441, however for some unexplained reason she was actually awarded £1100. This was the wife you going back on this technicality and successfully arguing that she should have the original calculation of £1441. If the judge had originally accounted for this difference it would have been the end of it probably.

It doesn't appear, from the news story, that it is being backdated so could be worse for the husband.

Lot of fuss over a £341 payment that the husband appears to be able to afford to pay. Considering she is aged 51 and will be dead by say 80 (or before since she has all these ailments). its probably only an additional £10k or so that is being fought over.

article][original judge said:

Judge Everall had calculated the wife's 'needs' at £1,441 a month, but had gone on to order that her monthly maintenance should not be increased from £1,100.

But Sir Ernest said that 'shortfall' was unexplained and left Mrs Mills out of pocket. 'He concluded that the wife would not be able to move towards independence,' he said. 'It is impossible for the court to ascertain how the £341 a month difference was to be saved by the wife. He didn't make the findings to justify the lower figure,' he added.

'The judge made an error of principle. The order should have been that the husband pay maintenance in the sum of £1,441 a month until further order of the court.

'The husband has and had the ability to make the maintenance payments asked for.'
No value was put on Mr Mills's business interests, but the court was told that he had previously been able to draw dividends from them of up to £200,000 a year.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4195940/Graham-Mills-told-ex-wife-s-money-spent-it.html

Edited by hyphen on Sunday 12th February 10:35

[RowntreesCabana]

On the back of this, my wifes friend is trying to divorce her husband (he left her for her best mate). They've not been together for a couple of years and he lives with her ex friend. The ex friend has her own business, all dodgy cash in the hand work, and he's declaring only two days a week, which is completely bullst. The guy is full of it btw.

Anyway, after he's refused to a divorce before, my wifes friend has approached a solicitor to get this sorted and her partners solicitor has replied saying that he wants maintenance! She's on a zero hour contract as temp, earning a little of £20k. They had the family house repossessed, so she's in rented accommodation and has been for a couple of years.

Would any court really expect her to make maintenance payments? They're in their 50's btw.

[Red Devil]

If a husband has left his wife (to shack up with someone else) she can claim desertion - https://www.gov.uk/divorce/grounds-for-divorce - if the test is satisfied he can't 'refuse' her application.
If she is on a zero hours contact with no guaranteed earnings, she may have difficulty in funding the cost of the actual divorce never mind any potential financial settlement.
Form E disclosure: the suggestion in your post is that the husband is/may be trying to conceal his income/assets. Will she be able to prove it to the satisfaction of the judge?
You don't even mention the key issue in any divorce: children. Do they have any?

The answer to your question is may be not (indeed it could even be the other way round), but the devil is in the detail.

[bad company]

Calls to cap payments to ex-wives:-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/12/divorce...

[dacouch]

The other side of the story is in today's paper, worth a read as all is not as it seems.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4215926/Th...

[Du1point8]

dacouch said:

The other side of the story is in today's paper, worth a read as all is not as it seems.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4215926/Th...

Its not... thats a story about a garage called Kwik Fit.

[dacouch]

Du1point8 said:

dacouch said:

The other side of the story is in today's paper, worth a read as all is not as it seems.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4215926/Th...

Its not... thats a story about a garage called Kwik Fit.

Oops, this is the right link

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4215578/...

[Du1point8]

dacouch said:

Du1point8 said:

dacouch said:

The other side of the story is in today's paper, worth a read as all is not as it seems.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4215926/Th...

Its not... thats a story about a garage called Kwik Fit.

Oops, this is the right link

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4215578/...

I read the link...

She made up to £700 a week 1987 running a beautician clinic
Married 1988
Had a kid in 1992, she became company director 50%.
divorced in 2000, gave up directorship and in return was given all the equity in the house (£230k and £1100 a month to help set her and their son).

she claims she got bad advice to give up directorship and £1100 should be indexed linked.

Says she did fine with property:

bought a home in Weybridge in Surrey in 2002 for £345,000
sold it in 2006 for £345,000.
Bought in Wimbledon in 2006 for £323,000
sold 2007 for £435,000
Bought £520,000 for my final home in Battersea.
sold 2008 £580,000.

Made £160k in equity on top of the £230k from the divorce. (£400k)

If she had kept the Battersea alone, suspect it would have made her £600k+ if she still owned it now.

So she lost it all from surgery and he child had glandual fever at the time.

So were is the £400k and why if the £1100 was for her and their son to be support, does she still need to be supported.

Her side of the story looks like a non story with DM throwing in:

1 miscarriage
1 surgery
1 sone being ill

If she was so good at running a beauty clinc and made £700 a week in 1987, why cant she do it again now, why does she need his month 15 years or £200k later?

[RowntreesCabana]

Red Devil said:

If a husband has left his wife (to shack up with someone else) she can claim desertion - https://www.gov.uk/divorce/grounds-for-divorce - if the test is satisfied he can't 'refuse' her application.
If she is on a zero hours contact with no guaranteed earnings, she may have difficulty in funding the cost of the actual divorce never mind any potential financial settlement.
Form E disclosure: the suggestion in your post is that the husband is/may be trying to conceal his income/assets. Will she be able to prove it to the satisfaction of the judge?
You don't even mention the key issue in any divorce: children. Do they have any?

The answer to your question is may be not (indeed it could even be the other way round), but the devil is in the detail.

The kids are all of adult age now and out of education. Yes, they're concealing income, but as with any job that is mostly cash in the hand, its very difficult to prove as the new woman owns the business and he declares a small figure as salary.

[D1ckie]

HustleRussell said:

P.S. just to make you extra paranoid, no wedding has to take place for a long term partner and co-habitant to clean you out pretty thoroughly if they so choose.

From my experience this is incorrect.

If you live with your mate for 10 years and then decided you didnt want to live with them any longer would you expect to contribute towards their future?

[98elise]

D1ckie said:

HustleRussell said:

P.S. just to make you extra paranoid, no wedding has to take place for a long term partner and co-habitant to clean you out pretty thoroughly if they so choose.

From my experience this is incorrect.

If you live with your mate for 10 years and then decided you didnt want to live with them any longer would you expect to contribute towards their future?

Agreed. Co-habiting is nothing like marriage for being cleaned out. Its based on contribution.

This is why I will never marry.

I'm happy to share everything I have while we are together, but if we split for whatever reason I don't want to be financially tied to another person.

[Rick101]

Have cohabited for around 5 years now.
Both have paid the same in. Not a difficult things to organise really.

[hyphen]

Back in the news: the bloke is fighting this decision and is asking for donations:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/relationships/fight...
https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/graham-mil...

[optimate]

Because we live in a geocentric society filled with mangina`s and Femnazi`s

and there's not enough men that stand up for there self's and can think with the right head

[bad company]

Rick101 said:

Have cohabited for around 5 years now.
Both have paid the same in. Not a difficult things to organise really.

Mrs BC and I have been doing the same for well over 20 years. Works for us and I can see no reason to get married.

[g3org3y]

optimate said:

Because we live in a geocentric society filled with mangina`s and Femnazi`s

and there's not enough men that stand up for there self's and can think with the right head

You are Ptolemy AICMFP.