Avengers: Endgame
Discussion
wjb said:
Guvernator said:
Still my biggest disappointment with Endgame and probably one of the reasons why it gets an 8 from me. A proper Hulk would have probably bumped it up to a 9. Professor Hulk was rubbish basically, we want to see Banner do the science stuff and Hulk Smash and he really deserved some payback.
Got to agree, Hulk was poor in this imo.I like Ruffalo's Banner as he has that 'vulnerability' about him, even though we know he isn't vulnerable at all, The scene with the ancient one was quality.
When he was Hulk/banner I just didn't really like it, he just seemed too much like Beast from X-Men and it didn't work for me.
Still love the film though.
But to pick those small holes in such a great film is like going on a date with Scarlett Johansson, her giving you the time of your life and then complaining that she didn't compliment your hair.
Ultimately there are 4 avengers that could have taken Thanos alone. Hulk, Thor, Captain Marvel, and Scarlett Witch. But Ironman has the ultimate end to complete his arch so the others have to be kept at arms length. Admittedly Hulk was the only one who didn't get a proper look in. But also he is not finished. He might be back, and will smash.
I've rewatched 6 early MCU films this week and if anything I'm more in awe of Endgame now, it's incredible from both a story and logistical angle that threads started 11 years ago are seamlessly weaved together.
I'm also more forgiving of the usual complaints. Far deeper sci-fi movies have tied themselves in knots with time travel, so 'because time travel' is perfectly adequate for me for what is the most mainstream of mainstream movies. 6 year old watch these films!
It's never bothered me much but I also think the 'why isn't superhero x there?' question is missing the point. There are loads of moments in the previous films where you could maybe expect other heroes to be called in, but not every movie can or should be an Avengers movie and that's fine. I'm surprised they even go to the effort of explaining the absence of characters sometimes, you have to take certain leaps with these films so I don't think it's a plot hole that more don't assemble with each potentially world altering crisis.
I'm also more forgiving of the usual complaints. Far deeper sci-fi movies have tied themselves in knots with time travel, so 'because time travel' is perfectly adequate for me for what is the most mainstream of mainstream movies. 6 year old watch these films!
It's never bothered me much but I also think the 'why isn't superhero x there?' question is missing the point. There are loads of moments in the previous films where you could maybe expect other heroes to be called in, but not every movie can or should be an Avengers movie and that's fine. I'm surprised they even go to the effort of explaining the absence of characters sometimes, you have to take certain leaps with these films so I don't think it's a plot hole that more don't assemble with each potentially world altering crisis.
Scabutz said:
He might be back, and will smash.
I hope so. THere were three core Marvel titles I bought back in the day, Hulk was one of them. Of all the original 6; all save for Thor and Hulk have had their natural ending. Thor has a new team, I hope that Hulk has a few stories left.Of the films coming up, I can see him taking a role (a la Ragnarok) in Black Panther 2 (Namor tie-in?), Doc STrange 2 or Captain Marvel 2.
ukaskew said:
I've rewatched 6 early MCU films this week and if anything I'm more in awe of Endgame now, it's incredible from both a story and logistical angle that threads started 11 years ago are seamlessly weaved together.
I'm also more forgiving of the usual complaints. Far deeper sci-fi movies have tied themselves in knots with time travel, so 'because time travel' is perfectly adequate for me for what is the most mainstream of mainstream movies. 6 year old watch these films!
It's never bothered me much but I also think the 'why isn't superhero x there?' question is missing the point. There are loads of moments in the previous films where you could maybe expect other heroes to be called in, but not every movie can or should be an Avengers movie and that's fine. I'm surprised they even go to the effort of explaining the absence of characters sometimes, you have to take certain leaps with these films so I don't think it's a plot hole that more don't assemble with each potentially world altering crisis.
You’ve made three very good points. I'm also more forgiving of the usual complaints. Far deeper sci-fi movies have tied themselves in knots with time travel, so 'because time travel' is perfectly adequate for me for what is the most mainstream of mainstream movies. 6 year old watch these films!
It's never bothered me much but I also think the 'why isn't superhero x there?' question is missing the point. There are loads of moments in the previous films where you could maybe expect other heroes to be called in, but not every movie can or should be an Avengers movie and that's fine. I'm surprised they even go to the effort of explaining the absence of characters sometimes, you have to take certain leaps with these films so I don't think it's a plot hole that more don't assemble with each potentially world altering crisis.
I don’t know much about the inner workings of the film industry, but it can’t have been easy revisiting the films from years ago, bringing back the likes of Robert Redford and Renee Russo, juggling all the location filming and blue screen, and somehow still making it work as a coherent movie.
I don’t think I’ll every fully resolve all the timey wimey plot questions, but I’m willing to forgive that because it’s a small price to pay for the trip through the MCU history.
I read enough comics to accept that superheroes are often tied up in other adventures that don’t need to be explained. However the MCU has created a new audience who are used to the film sequel way of doing things. That is, each film includes the main cast from the previous film, or an explanation of why they were not there. I think people will become more accepting of the ‘bigger universe’ idea, that not everyone is always available for every fight, in the same way they’ve gotten used to the fact that superheroes can turn up without an origin story.
wjb said:
Going to see Endgame without at least watching infinity war is like choosing a random box set on sky and watching the season finale.
Exactly!No doubt they'll hate it and then be back to complain they didn't understand nor enjoy it which won't be a surprise as they'll have no idea who anyone is or what's going on.
Complete waste of time and money IMO.
It won't stand up as a stand alone movie because it isn't a standalone movie, it's the second half of a two part movie.
It will literally be like walking in halfway through a normal movie and trying to work out what's going on but enough people have told you this already. It's your money and 3 hours you'll be wasting.
Can I ask why you've chosen the final film of a two parter or indeed of a 22 film arc to jump into the Marvel Movies?
It will literally be like walking in halfway through a normal movie and trying to work out what's going on but enough people have told you this already. It's your money and 3 hours you'll be wasting.
Can I ask why you've chosen the final film of a two parter or indeed of a 22 film arc to jump into the Marvel Movies?
Scabutz said:
Looks like Endgame has had a solid weekend again. In the US its nabbed the top spot back from Detective Pikachu on Saturday and Sunday.
Only has 300 mil left to take Crapatar.
Big global drop from last week though, at the rate it's tailing off it's going to be a bit of a stretch to get that $300m. It's going to be really close though, it'll possibly trickle over the line in a few weeks time. Only has 300 mil left to take Crapatar.
Scabutz said:
Looks like Endgame has had a solid weekend again. In the US its nabbed the top spot back from Detective Pikachu on Saturday and Sunday.
Only has 300 mil left to take Crapatar.
Tempted to go for a 3rd viewing but John Wick 3 is out this week so will probably watch that.
WOw. Only has 300 mil left to take Crapatar.
Tempted to go for a 3rd viewing but John Wick 3 is out this week so will probably watch that.
1 Avatar Fox $2,788.0 $760.5 27.3% $2,027.5 72.7% 2009^
2 Avengers: Endgame BV $2,485.5 $723.5 29.1% $1,762.0 70.9% 2019
Seemed a tall order last week....but still.
I've seen plenty of Marvel movies, just none of the Avengers ones. We both enjoyed Endgame as a standalone movie. I felt it was at least half an hour too long and we've probably seen too many formulaic battle scenes in our time to get much enjoyment out of those in Endgame, but the 'unusual' characterisation of Thor was fun, Thanos was quietly philosophical for a baddie and the CGI of Hulk was amazing. He managed to display more emotion than the human actors, with the possible exception of Renner. Overall we both thought it was a good romp with some nicely nuanced humour.
Blackpuddin said:
I've seen plenty of Marvel movies, just none of the Avengers ones. We both enjoyed Endgame as a standalone movie. I felt it was at least half an hour too long and we've probably seen too many formulaic battle scenes in our time to get much enjoyment out of those in Endgame, but the 'unusual' characterisation of Thor was fun, Thanos was quietly philosophical for a baddie and the CGI of Hulk was amazing. He managed to display more emotion than the human actors, with the possible exception of Renner. Overall we both thought it was a good romp with some nicely nuanced humour.
Glad you liked it, although I am surprised. You really should watch Infinity War, in which Thanos really is the protagonist.
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