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Those who are quoting their car's miles per kwh - are you relying on what the car tells you, or how much electricity you use recharging?
The numbers are around 15% different for me (XC40 plug-in hybrid and granny charger with smart plug monitor).
Same as checking the trip computer against an actual brim to brim calculation for an UCE car.
The numbers are around 15% different for me (XC40 plug-in hybrid and granny charger with smart plug monitor).
Same as checking the trip computer against an actual brim to brim calculation for an UCE car.
clockworks said:
Those who are quoting their car's miles per kwh - are you relying on what the car tells you, or how much electricity you use recharging?
The numbers are around 15% different for me (XC40 plug-in hybrid and granny charger with smart plug monitor).
Same as checking the trip computer against an actual brim to brim calculation for an UCE car.
Just what the car says - I assume that was probably the case for the MG4 mentioned above too. The numbers are around 15% different for me (XC40 plug-in hybrid and granny charger with smart plug monitor).
Same as checking the trip computer against an actual brim to brim calculation for an UCE car.
clockworks said:
Those who are quoting their car's miles per kwh - are you relying on what the car tells you, or how much electricity you use recharging?
The numbers are around 15% different for me (XC40 plug-in hybrid and granny charger with smart plug monitor).
Same as checking the trip computer against an actual brim to brim calculation for an UCE car.
Most of that will be losses while charging which are circa 10% for AC charging.The numbers are around 15% different for me (XC40 plug-in hybrid and granny charger with smart plug monitor).
Same as checking the trip computer against an actual brim to brim calculation for an UCE car.
clockworks said:
Those who are quoting their car's miles per kwh - are you relying on what the car tells you, or how much electricity you use recharging?
The numbers are around 15% different for me (XC40 plug-in hybrid and granny charger with smart plug monitor).
Same as checking the trip computer against an actual brim to brim calculation for an UCE car.
I ignore what the car says (in fact I don't even look at the claimed consumption). I just record all the energy which the charger reports.The numbers are around 15% different for me (XC40 plug-in hybrid and granny charger with smart plug monitor).
Same as checking the trip computer against an actual brim to brim calculation for an UCE car.
Bye bye MG5, hello MG4 estate https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/mg-4-s...
I couldn't see this anywhere else so that image with the watermark logo on it will be an Autocar Photoshop job, but it's probably pretty close.
I couldn't see this anywhere else so that image with the watermark logo on it will be an Autocar Photoshop job, but it's probably pretty close.
The MG4 XPOWER (in caps) was on my very short shortlist of cars to try. I'll be replacing a Hyundai Ioniq 5 AWD Ultimate.
So many EVs are FWD. Given the large amounts of torque I wanted AWD or RWD so that limits the set somewhat, and price is an issue.
I drove the MG4 today. I liked the overall feel of it, the performance was as expected although it wasn't particularly refined doing it. Interior was fine, it has real switches and buttons. The ride was variable, it was a bit noiser than the I5 and a bit more susceptible to bad road surfaces. Smoother roads and higher speeds were good.
I didn't like the steering wheel, it was a bit slippery compared to mine.
Given the low price for the performance and the low monthlies for leases or PCPs its a steal, and I'd get one, except for one thing. The seat hurt my back.
The XPOWER gets Alcantara sports seats. The lower part doesn't seem to have any lumbar support, and the huggy side bolsters on that model seem to make it worse. My wife said that the passenger seat had too much lumbar support, and was therefore very uncomfortable. We swapped, and then the driver's seat suited her, and the passenger seat felt much better to me. This is not as it should be of course. On our I5 she deflates the lumbar support all the way, I tend to pump it up again when my back twinges...
I tried various adjustments on the MG but there simply isn't a way to get comfortable for me as a driver.
The day before I'd tried the EX30. Absolutely loved it, just got in and it was smooth, quiet, relentless performance and refined in doing it. The seat was just right. Everything through the touchscreen was much less of an issue than some reviewers had ranted about (for me at least). Unfortunately the Volvo lease and PCP rates are comically high compared to the MG.
Examples from Leaseloco, personal lease:
MG4 XPOWER lease, 3 months/36, 8k miles p.a. £370/month and total over term £14,400 (List price about £36k). 3 years costs 40% of list.
Taking the lowest EX30, same terms, £584/month, total over term about £23k (List price about £38k). 3 years costs 60% of list.
EX30 Twin Ultra (similar performance to the XPOWER) £700/month, total over term £27k (List £44k). 3 years costs 61% of list.
A shame, the EX30 is by far my preference but that gap is just too wide.
So many EVs are FWD. Given the large amounts of torque I wanted AWD or RWD so that limits the set somewhat, and price is an issue.
I drove the MG4 today. I liked the overall feel of it, the performance was as expected although it wasn't particularly refined doing it. Interior was fine, it has real switches and buttons. The ride was variable, it was a bit noiser than the I5 and a bit more susceptible to bad road surfaces. Smoother roads and higher speeds were good.
I didn't like the steering wheel, it was a bit slippery compared to mine.
Given the low price for the performance and the low monthlies for leases or PCPs its a steal, and I'd get one, except for one thing. The seat hurt my back.
The XPOWER gets Alcantara sports seats. The lower part doesn't seem to have any lumbar support, and the huggy side bolsters on that model seem to make it worse. My wife said that the passenger seat had too much lumbar support, and was therefore very uncomfortable. We swapped, and then the driver's seat suited her, and the passenger seat felt much better to me. This is not as it should be of course. On our I5 she deflates the lumbar support all the way, I tend to pump it up again when my back twinges...
I tried various adjustments on the MG but there simply isn't a way to get comfortable for me as a driver.
The day before I'd tried the EX30. Absolutely loved it, just got in and it was smooth, quiet, relentless performance and refined in doing it. The seat was just right. Everything through the touchscreen was much less of an issue than some reviewers had ranted about (for me at least). Unfortunately the Volvo lease and PCP rates are comically high compared to the MG.
Examples from Leaseloco, personal lease:
MG4 XPOWER lease, 3 months/36, 8k miles p.a. £370/month and total over term £14,400 (List price about £36k). 3 years costs 40% of list.
Taking the lowest EX30, same terms, £584/month, total over term about £23k (List price about £38k). 3 years costs 60% of list.
EX30 Twin Ultra (similar performance to the XPOWER) £700/month, total over term £27k (List £44k). 3 years costs 61% of list.
A shame, the EX30 is by far my preference but that gap is just too wide.
Mine has some infuriating foibles. The first car where you need to do pre flight checks.
The lockout for the rear windows resets every trip. The first I find out is my 3 year old putting the windows down using his toes, which he does every journey.
One pedal driving needs selecting every time so after a week I've already given up doing that.
There's load of niggles like that.
The lockout for the rear windows resets every trip. The first I find out is my 3 year old putting the windows down using his toes, which he does every journey.
One pedal driving needs selecting every time so after a week I've already given up doing that.
There's load of niggles like that.
ChocolateFrog said:
Mine has some infuriating foibles. The first car where you need to do pre flight checks.
The lockout for the rear windows resets every trip. The first I find out is my 3 year old putting the windows down using his toes, which he does every journey.
One pedal driving needs selecting every time so after a week I've already given up doing that.
There's load of niggles like that.
Is lane keep assist still borderline suicidal or has it been fixed?The lockout for the rear windows resets every trip. The first I find out is my 3 year old putting the windows down using his toes, which he does every journey.
One pedal driving needs selecting every time so after a week I've already given up doing that.
There's load of niggles like that.
Tycho said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Mine has some infuriating foibles. The first car where you need to do pre flight checks.
The lockout for the rear windows resets every trip. The first I find out is my 3 year old putting the windows down using his toes, which he does every journey.
One pedal driving needs selecting every time so after a week I've already given up doing that.
There's load of niggles like that.
Is lane keep assist still borderline suicidal or has it been fixed?The lockout for the rear windows resets every trip. The first I find out is my 3 year old putting the windows down using his toes, which he does every journey.
One pedal driving needs selecting every time so after a week I've already given up doing that.
There's load of niggles like that.
Had my first emergency brake application slaloming between parked cars yesterday too, sharp enough to jolt the kids necks.
ChocolateFrog said:
Tycho said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Mine has some infuriating foibles. The first car where you need to do pre flight checks.
The lockout for the rear windows resets every trip. The first I find out is my 3 year old putting the windows down using his toes, which he does every journey.
One pedal driving needs selecting every time so after a week I've already given up doing that.
There's load of niggles like that.
Is lane keep assist still borderline suicidal or has it been fixed?The lockout for the rear windows resets every trip. The first I find out is my 3 year old putting the windows down using his toes, which he does every journey.
One pedal driving needs selecting every time so after a week I've already given up doing that.
There's load of niggles like that.
Had my first emergency brake application slaloming between parked cars yesterday too, sharp enough to jolt the kids necks.
ChocolateFrog said:
I'm getting an indicated 2.5miles in my X-power although with some charging losses and some lying by the computer the real figure will be nearer 2.
It also has the slight vibration from the front axle that some others have reported.
There were a couple of things that put me off the XPower and it is disappointing to see that at least one hasn't been resolved. LKA, the vibration and the range were the 3 main things.It also has the slight vibration from the front axle that some others have reported.
The LKA should be easy to fix by either letting you set it to just a warning, remembering the setting last applied (not going to happen due to NCAP rating) or just dialling back the sensitivity. The vibration was being reported by almost all owners at motorway speeds and this is where I spend most of my time. The range is just a little too short for me but the actual car was great fun and very tempting.
I’ve still got my Trophy. LKA is an absolute pain. Yesterday coming past the RAC building on the M5 north leaving Bristol I was in a 50 MPH coned contra flow. The car violently 3 times in about 100 meters tried to steer me right through the cones into oncoming traffic. It’s so bad my wife now rarely wants to drive it. The radio still loses sound and all functionality maybe 4 times a week requiring the known 10 second reset by pressing the home button. This used to happen 20 times a day.
The MG iSmart app is so unreliable I’ve now deleted it from my iPhone. They have a long way to go. A good tool spoilt by little things.
The MG iSmart app is so unreliable I’ve now deleted it from my iPhone. They have a long way to go. A good tool spoilt by little things.
Mikebentley said:
I’ve still got my Trophy. LKA is an absolute pain. Yesterday coming past the RAC building on the M5 north leaving Bristol I was in a 50 MPH coned contra flow. The car violently 3 times in about 100 meters tried to steer me right through the cones into oncoming traffic. It’s so bad my wife now rarely wants to drive it. The radio still loses sound and all functionality maybe 4 times a week requiring the known 10 second reset by pressing the home button. This used to happen 20 times a day.
The MG iSmart app is so unreliable I’ve now deleted it from my iPhone. They have a long way to go. A good tool spoilt by little things.
Yeah, a few small things that mount up. I went for a model 3 RWD LR in the end and at least the LKA can be turned off or set to be just a warning rather than yanking the wheel out of your hand. The X-Power is mental for the price, yes it might not be a pure as the RWD version but for 95% of driving it would be great. I hope they fix the issues as it will be great value if they can. I do like the idea of an estate version as well, the photo above looks great if true.The MG iSmart app is so unreliable I’ve now deleted it from my iPhone. They have a long way to go. A good tool spoilt by little things.
The XPOWER version is currently on a very good business lease rate. Much cheaper even than the lower models, only
£8500+VAT total cost over 2 years and 10k miles p.a.. You can split that any way you want, but for example a 6+23 is £1770 down and £295pm (all figures excl VAT).
I was going to go ahead, !BUT! then I started reading all the MG forums where people tell of how poor the "safety" mechanisms have been coded in practice. The dangerous interference from the Lane Keep Assist, and Emergency Brake Assist etc, were just too much of a put off for me.
£8500+VAT total cost over 2 years and 10k miles p.a.. You can split that any way you want, but for example a 6+23 is £1770 down and £295pm (all figures excl VAT).
I was going to go ahead, !BUT! then I started reading all the MG forums where people tell of how poor the "safety" mechanisms have been coded in practice. The dangerous interference from the Lane Keep Assist, and Emergency Brake Assist etc, were just too much of a put off for me.
LKA is irritating for sure. The vibrations are bad enough but it does occasionally want to actively take control.
On the flip side - it's a lot of car for the money. My mates 72 plate has been faultless. Build quality feels decent enough, and it's quieter than my Tesla that was twice the price.
It's a shame it doesn't have wireless CarPlay/AA, that would solve a lot of the UI complaints. I tried wired CarPlay and it would intermittently crap out and just stop working, but I have a feeling it is very sensitive to the type and length of cable you use.
On the flip side - it's a lot of car for the money. My mates 72 plate has been faultless. Build quality feels decent enough, and it's quieter than my Tesla that was twice the price.
It's a shame it doesn't have wireless CarPlay/AA, that would solve a lot of the UI complaints. I tried wired CarPlay and it would intermittently crap out and just stop working, but I have a feeling it is very sensitive to the type and length of cable you use.
Durzel said:
It's a shame it doesn't have wireless CarPlay/AA, that would solve a lot of the UI complaints. I tried wired CarPlay and it would intermittently crap out and just stop working, but I have a feeling it is very sensitive to the type and length of cable you use.
Same issue on Kia. Wireless android dongle fixes that.Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff