Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)
Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)
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AlmostUseful

3,314 posts

221 months

Saturday 21st March 2020
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The ‘new build’ looks remarkably like one of the £1m examples of house that Blueg33 posted as examples of his previous work in the homes/DIY forum a while back.
For why it’s worth, I quite like it. Would happily take it and an F1.
The contemporary one doesn’t do much for me.

JxJ Jr.

652 posts

91 months

Saturday 21st March 2020
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Tom Hartley Jr seems to have listed a GTR for sale recently.

hurstg01

3,118 posts

264 months

Sunday 22nd March 2020
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Yes, that’s the first Longtail chassis 19R in its original presentation livery, converted to road legal by Lanzante with bodywork help from Gordon Murray Designs for its owner before the current owner, and it’s gorgeous.

Don1

16,309 posts

229 months

Sunday 22nd March 2020
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That is stunning. But the reason I won't buy it, is that I need a car to be practical as well as beautiful. The original F1 I appreciate the luggage capability and the fact it can be used.

Its not the money, honest. ;-)

bolidemichael

17,142 posts

222 months

Sunday 22nd March 2020
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Tom Hartley offered F1 GTR

I notice this Canary Yellow delivery miles example, too. What a thrill is would be to receive an 'as new' F1. I don't this would ever be driven on the roads again, however. No doubt, I missed the conversation about this a few hundred pages ago.

On another note, Happy Mother's Day Flemke.

A question, do you prefer Mother or Father?
















I hope facetiousness translates well on text

PAUL500

3,107 posts

267 months

Sunday 22nd March 2020
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There is a fair bit of info out there about how the GTR came to be, was a bit of a rush job, only a day in the wind tunnel etc, not so much about how it developed into the longtail though.

Did GM have much to do with this phase of the F1? and was Peter Stevens still responsible for the shape etc?

I think an F1 with the longtail front end and the LM rear end would have looked superb as a final run out road car version in an alternate universe.

S1KRR

12,548 posts

233 months

Sunday 22nd March 2020
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hurstg01 said:
Yes, that’s the first Longtail chassis 19R in its original presentation livery, converted to road legal by Lanzante with bodywork help from Gordon Murray Designs for its owner before the current owner, and it’s gorgeous.
Did it actually race in a different livery?

PAUL500 said:
I think an F1 with the longtail front end and the LM rear end would have looked superb as a final run out road car version in an alternate universe.
I wondered that too.


The answer is "not really" biggrin

It loses some of its "balance" since it still has a whacking great splitter and long front section.

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PAUL500

3,107 posts

267 months

Sunday 22nd March 2020
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I do like no 1, can you remove the decals so that it is plain black?

Never been a fan of the GTR rear wing ( looks just like the generic halfords one's normally stuck on the back of a nova or cavalier at the time!) or the longtail version either.

So maybe a subtle rear wing, and in body colour, more like that from the Rouse sapphire cosworth.

Edited by PAUL500 on Monday 23 March 07:50

Martin350

3,859 posts

216 months

Monday 23rd March 2020
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I think I like the middle one the most.

Nice photoshopping, I wish I could do that! cool

robm3

4,930 posts

248 months

Monday 23rd March 2020
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flemke said:
stevesingo said:
flemke said:
stevesingo said:
Is that the same Dr chap who when McLaren interrogated the ECU was informed of a fault. Until he explained that he regularly exceeded 300kph on his way to and from work.
That was the story, started I think by Car magazine.
The reality was that the ECU recorded the top speed measured, not the entire history of one's speed. The magazine also mis-reported that he commuted daily in his F1. The reality was that he commuted via the A3 autobahn one day a week from his home in Köln to his office in Frankfurt, and he did not normally drive the F1. The 200+mph 'commute' was just his top speed one outing in the car.
In fairness, he did drive the car a reasonable amount. When I saw it in early 2001 it had 18,000 km on the clock.
Something of an urban myth then.
It had a core of truth but became exaggerated by the media and developed into an urban myth.
I recall that interview in CAR, the good Dr mentioned Ron had called him up to offer a second F1 because they weren't selling well.

epom

13,848 posts

182 months

Monday 23rd March 2020
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Martin350 said:
I think I like the middle one the most.

Nice photoshopping, I wish I could do that! cool
And probably only took him 5 minutes smile skills.

richomk6

89 posts

97 months

Monday 23rd March 2020
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bolidemichael said:
Tom Hartley offered F1 GTR

I notice this Canary Yellow delivery miles example, too. What a thrill is would be to receive an 'as new' F1. I don't this would ever be driven on the roads again, however. No doubt, I missed the conversation about this a few hundred pages ago.

On another note, Happy Mother's Day Flemke.

A question, do you prefer Mother or Father?

Be interested to see how much that longtail goes for. Add in the fact that its road converted. Whether it may add or detract from any perceived value by a potential buyer.














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PushedDover

6,897 posts

74 months

Monday 23rd March 2020
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richomk6 said:
Wholly crap that A8 THartley has is a steal / had one hell of a bath in depreciation...

CanAm

12,513 posts

293 months

Monday 23rd March 2020
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bolidemichael said:
Tom Hartley offered F1 GTR

I notice this Canary Yellow delivery miles example, too. What a thrill is would be to receive an 'as new' F1. I don't this would ever be driven on the roads again, however. No doubt, I missed the conversation about this a few hundred pages ago.

On another note, Happy Mother's Day Flemke.

A question, do you prefer Mother or Father?
I hope whoever bought the yellow car has it recommissioned and uses the damned thing. Blow the expense!

Just noticed that it's never been registered. That may be a bit of a problem.....

Edited by CanAm on Monday 23 March 09:24

AmosMoses

4,053 posts

186 months

Monday 23rd March 2020
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Seems 19R is sold, I wonder where it’s going? Most likely into some billionaires hangar frown

Petrus1983

10,654 posts

183 months

Monday 23rd March 2020
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AmosMoses said:
Seems 19R is sold, I wonder where it’s going? Most likely into some billionaires hangar frown
We can only guesstimate the price. I’m not surprised it sold so quickly though - it’s exceptionally rare no matter what’s its originations or past.

flemke

23,357 posts

258 months

Monday 23rd March 2020
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S1KRR said:
nono

As someone who understands colours, how they interact with each other and light, and has spent a decent amount of time in the UK. I always had in my mind that you must understand basic sartorial requirements.


My apologises tongue out


EDIT TO ADD

On a slightly random note, did you know someone made a model of your car?





Re houses, if I were going to own a property of contemporary design, I would feel the need to design it myself. I have often considered doing that, but it would take up most of my time for probably two years and I have more important projects to work on.

Re that model, although it isn't quite right, I respect anyone who makes an effort at something. The same for the people who have made F1 replicas. It's not (as far as I know) as if they were making counterfeit F1s. If you like something but cannot afford to buy it, what's wrong with making your own version?

Petrus1983

10,654 posts

183 months

Tuesday 24th March 2020
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flemke said:
I respect anyone who makes an effort at something. The same for the people who have made F1 replicas. It's not (as far as I know) as if they were making counterfeit F1s. If you like something but cannot afford to buy it, what's wrong with making your own version?
On that note, have you come across this thread?

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

I’m genuinely in awe of the guy (who’s also posted on this thread). He seems to have the perfect mix of bonkers, brave and knowledge.


F1natic

511 posts

77 months

Tuesday 24th March 2020
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Petrus1983 said:
I’m genuinely in awe of the guy (who’s also posted on this thread). He seems to have the perfect mix of bonkers, brave and knowledge.
the mix is 98% of the first I can assure you, there is something in the water down here in New Zealand. Thanks for the compliment!

SKN

14 posts

186 months

Tuesday 24th March 2020
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Flemke, is this the model / modeller you are referring to?

https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/top...

To be fair, he is working in very small scale and it's probably very difficult to get all details absolutely correct. Even so, from what I see in the pages of his blog, he seems to have done an exceptional job. The fact he has sourced alternate, more accurate parts for the model, modifying those and the original parts shows extraordinary attention to detail. What parts in particular are incorrect. I have visions of the man spending the next couple of years removing tiny parts and modifying them if you give too much detail smile