Meanwhile, In Syria

[Cobnapint]

PurpleMoonlight said:

What right does the UK, US and France have to attack another country?

Far more right than Putin did when he waltzed into Crimea.

Next question.

[PurpleMoonlight]

Cobnapint said:

Far more right than Putin did when he waltzed into Crimea.

Next question.

That doesn't answer the first question.

[Derek Smith]

ThatGuyWhoDoesStuff said:

How on earth do you think chemical weapons work? Are you the type of people who think that an accident at a nuclear power plant would mean there's a nuclear explosion? Lmao. What do you envisage, a big green cloud floating the many miles from the target site to civilian populations? Whatever wasn't immediately vaporized by a big missile would settle and degrade within minutes, all close to the target. Science doesn't work like you've seen it on Doctor Who.

I'm reassured to discover that there was no radiation leakage from the Japanese nuclear plant.

[Pistom]

PurpleMoonlight said:

What right does the UK, US and France have to attack another country?

There is a view that those that can, should protect the human rights of those under attack by unacceptable means. Chemical attack is one of those means.

The argument is bks of course as intervention usually happens to coincide with the political goals of the "protector" .

Talk about Putin and Crimea is just deliberately obtuse so ignore.

[PurpleMoonlight]

Pistom said:

There is a view that those that can, should protect the human rights of those under attack by unacceptable means. Chemical attack is one of those means.

The argument is bks of course as intervention usually happens to coincide with the political goals of the "protector" .

Talk about Putin and Crimea is just deliberately obtuse so ignore.

Even more bks when you think of all the other atrocities that have happened and nobody has taken any action to stop it.

[bitchstewie]

deltaevo16 said:

bhstewie said:

What's to say?

Spend 5 minutes digging around on the bloke and his work and draw your own conclusions.

http://theduran.com/author/rick-sterling/
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/02/26/who-benefits...

If you choose to think that's the balanced work of an "investigative journalist" that's up to you.

Takes all of 3 minutes to see which way the duran swings
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-duran/

Still you could try to answer about the White helmets?

I wouldn't claim to know lots about them but my first thought is that it seems a little strange to setup a a shadowy organisation doing various evil things then choose to wear bright white helmets to make yourself stand out, and film yourself lots.

Show me evidence from reputable unbiased sources I'll look at it.

Show me propaganda from a Putin mouthpiece and I'll treat it for what it is.

[Burwood]

PurpleMoonlight said:

What right does the UK, US and France have to attack another country?

World police designate. France are involved because Assad mocked the French after the 2013 IS attack. Payback’s a bh. Good political move by Macron.

[98elise]

coyft said:

gooner1 said:

coyft said:

As if they know where any chemical weapons are stored. The whole thing is completely ridiculous. A crock of st, from start to finish.

I would imagine satellite monitoring of Russian and Iranian troops,
hastily deploying away from suspected sites/areas, could be construed
as clues.

Keep sucking it up!

Why don't you call the BBC (or the papers) and give them your insight? It will get wider coverage than on here.

[98elise]

PurpleMoonlight said:

What right does the UK, US and France have to attack another country?

They haven't attacked another country. They've sent over some demolition "advisors" to assist with the deconstruction of their chemical weapons.

[Oakey]

The French have released their report, page 7 for those that were complaining "these people don't look like they were suffering from a chemical attack"

https://www.defense.gouv.fr/content/download/52874...

[Octoposse]

Cobnapint said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

What right does the UK, US and France have to attack another country?

Far more right than Putin did when he waltzed into Crimea.

Crimea? A place that's been part of Russia for longer than most nations on Earth have existed?

A place lived in by a majority Russian population, who speak Russian, watch Russian TV, read Russian stories to their children, think of themselves as Russian, are Russian, and want to be Russian?

That Crimea?

[bobbo89]

Oakey said:

The French have released their report, page 7 for those that were complaining "these people don't look like they were suffering from a chemical attack"

https://www.defense.gouv.fr/content/download/52874...

Page 7 is not nice!!

[gooner1]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Even more bks when you think of all the other atrocities that have happened and nobody has taken any action to stop it.

You are not anti action then, just anti this particular action.
Is'nt that just as hypocritical as your suggestion?

[grumbledoak]

Oakey said:

The French have released their report, page 7 for those that were complaining "these people don't look like they were suffering from a chemical attack"

https://www.defense.gouv.fr/content/download/52874...

That basically says they have seen the same stills and videos we have, have assumed chemical weapons were used, and guessed at the chemicals including organophosphates and hydrogen cyanide.

[anonymous-user]

Derek Smith said:

I'm reassured to discover that there was no radiation leakage from the Japanese nuclear plant.

Ah, well you didn't mention that we used one of our magic water bombs in Syria.

I obviously missed the fact that the Storm Shadow missile ACTUALLY releases 1,000,000 liters of water onto the impact site. I also didn't know that sarin has a half life of 30 years....

My question is, for a water bomb that size, who is making the balloons?

[anonymous-user]

AreOut said:

Halb said:

How do you see this progressing?

Since most of rebels are now in areas under turkish control I think it mostly depends on relations between Russia and Turkey...as their leaders are quite unpredictable.

El stovey said:

This is even better than your nutty missing Malaysian airliner theories.

Please can you elaborate on this theory just so we can be sure exactly what you’re suggesting.

I think it should be obvious

Do you really believe this attack was conducted by the Saudis or Isis with help from the Saudis and in collusion with the USA France and the UK?

That the UK was involved in organising or condoning a chemical attack against civilians in order to justify a very limited attack against Syria?

[djc206]

grumbledoak said:

That basically says they have seen the same stills and videos we have, have assumed chemical weapons were used, and guessed at the chemicals including organophosphates and hydrogen cyanide.

Which would seem reasonable given what’s in the photos.

I don’t really understand the outrage on here. I’m not really for this latest round of strikes but I’m not fussed about us launching them either. Surely no one is going to lose any sleep over Assad’s chemical weapons programme taking a bit of a knock? he has after all shown he is prepared to use them against civilians in an indiscriminate manner before now.

If that one volley was all we are going to do I can see it all being forgotten about within a few months, it’s certainly not the big political drama that certain players are making it out to be.

[anonymous-user]

djc206 said:

Which would seem reasonable given what’s in the photos.

I don’t really understand the outrage on here. I’m not really for this latest round of strikes but I’m not fussed about us launching them either. Surely no one is going to lose any sleep over Assad’s chemical weapons programme taking a bit of a knock? he has after all shown he is prepared to use them against civilians in an indiscriminate manner before now.

If that one volley was all we are going to do I can see it all being forgotten about within a few months, it’s certainly not the big political drama that certain players are making it out to be.

You like me, don’t think it’s a big deal because we’ve apparently been sucked in by the MSM and are drinking the koolaid. We think Asad likely deserved it for using chemical weapons.

The people who think it’s a big drama are the often the ones who think there wasn’t a chemical attack or that it was done by someone other than Assad,

Obviously it’s more of a drama if you think your country is involved in faking chemical attacks or worse, arranging them, to justify bombing other countries.

[Kccv23highliftcam]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Cobnapint said:

Far more right than Putin did when he waltzed into Crimea.

Next question.

That doesn't answer the first question.

[andy_s]

El stovey said:

djc206 said:

Which would seem reasonable given what’s in the photos.

I don’t really understand the outrage on here. I’m not really for this latest round of strikes but I’m not fussed about us launching them either. Surely no one is going to lose any sleep over Assad’s chemical weapons programme taking a bit of a knock? he has after all shown he is prepared to use them against civilians in an indiscriminate manner before now.

If that one volley was all we are going to do I can see it all being forgotten about within a few months, it’s certainly not the big political drama that certain players are making it out to be.

You like me, don’t think it’s a big deal because we’ve apparently been sucked in by the MSM and are drinking the koolaid. We think Asad likely deserved it for using chemical weapons.

The people who think it’s a big drama are the often the ones who think there wasn’t a chemical attack or that it was done by someone other than Assad,

Obviously it’s more of a drama if you think your country is involved in faking chemical attacks or worse, arranging them, to justify bombing other countries.

It's more a damp squib, as intended - nice headlines - tough on Assad etc but in reality achieves little except a message to 'play nicely' [ie use conventional weapons to kill rather than chemicals), but there's no 'or else' really - pre-warn the Russians/Syrians, bomb a few empty buildings, everyone is happy.
Any drama will be if there's anything except clear indications it was actually Assad coming from the OPCW who arrived a day after the retaliation. Then we'll have a massive credibility problem and Russia will correctly hang us out to dry. I'm surprised they haven't arranged this before...
Chemical weapons are alleged about 4 times a year in Syria, we rarely follow up.