Christian Horner

[Byker28i]

nordboy said:

Isn't this all a bit of a mute point at this stage? There seems to be very little going on in the Red Bull/ F1 world, he appears to have weathered the storm.

It only seems to be PH that's keeping it all going?

It's still all over the media, all over the f1 news, corners getting asked about it. It's not going away

Ie story horner wants more
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/265442/towering-amb...

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/mar/20/red-...

https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/1015967/f1-chris...

Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 21st March 10:00

[Byker28i]

NRS said:

Evercross said:

...which is why there's good reason to believe that 'the messages' are not what they appear to be at face value.

"But Horner hasn't denied they are genuine or claimed they are fake" does not mean they present a full and accurate picture of events as some people keep wrongly insisting.



Fact is that the PA has been personally involved with Jos Verstappen, and there are photographs in the public domain showing they were close within the last 12 months, which overlaps with the timescale the messages purport to cover. That in itself is a starting point for any lawyer defending a claim brought by her.

So the messages may not be genuine, or may be deliberately put out there in a way to bias people. And yet the next paragraph states that it is a FACT that Jos was involved with the PA! Why does rumours for your viewpoint become fact, but rumours that disagree with it instantly be questioned?

If the messages weren't genuine they're would have been rightful denials. There haven't been. They are just hoping it all blows over.

Amazing how many opinions are being put over as facts by RB supporters. Fact is we know nothing other than the released messages, indicating RB tried a coverup

[Byker28i]

Bildeston reporting Newey is in advanced talks with ferrari, because of the Horner controversy

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/265487/newey-in-tal...

[anonymous-user]

Others saying he's going to Mercedes. We're at the free for all stage where any old knobber with a connection to F1 and a desire to be relevant again spouts off something they dreamt up at the urinals.

[Bonefish Blues]

Forester1965 said:

Others saying he's going to Mercedes. We're at the free for all stage where any old knobber with a connection to F1 and a desire to be relevant again spouts off something they dreamt up at the urinals.

No, Verstappen's off to Merc and Newey to Ferrari. The Express says so.

[Byker28i]

Bonefish Blues said:

Forester1965 said:

Others saying he's going to Mercedes. We're at the free for all stage where any old knobber with a connection to F1 and a desire to be relevant again spouts off something they dreamt up at the urinals.

No, Verstappen's off to Merc and Newey to Ferrari. The Express says so.

Point being, the stories aren't going away

[Sandpit Steve]

Byker28i said:

Bildeston reporting Newey is in advanced talks with ferrari, because of the Horner controversy

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/265487/newey-in-tal...

The ears of all the Newey, LH, and Ferrari fans start to twitch….

Fred Vasseur and John Elkann have already pulled one rabbit out of a hat this year, can they make it another and look to try and re-create the 20-years-ago dream team?

(Alternatively, it could be total bks by one of the factions in the Red Bull not-very-civil war, which is clearly far from over more than a month after the Horny story first broke).

[sandman77]

Tim the pool man said:

The "some folk" are the same few sad PH/LH fans who can't let ANYTHING go

You are right Tim.
The budget cap overspend that gained RBR a lasting advantage. The blatant engineering of the race result in the 2021 final race to crown MV WDC. Horners abuse of power towards female staff members. Can everyone just let it go now?

Sorted!

[anonymous_user]

Tim the pool man said:

The "some folk" are the same few sad PH/LH fans who can't let ANYTHING go, fortunately they don't actually have any influence in the real world

if only CH had let things go in the real world, he wouldn't be in the quite the pickle he finds himself in

[jm doc]

sandman77 said:

Tim the pool man said:

The "some folk" are the same few sad PH/LH fans who can't let ANYTHING go

You are right Tim.
The budget cap overspend that gained RBR a lasting advantage. The blatant engineering of the race result in the 2021 final race to crown MV WDC. Horners abuse of power towards female staff members. Can everyone just let it go now?

Sorted!

Nope, you haven't sorted MBS (FIA) approval of the AD 21 result being engineered for RB, MBS (FIA) (allegedly) ignoring two earlier complaints about CH, MBS (FIA) (allegedly) trying to block the Vegas race from being held at all, MBS (FIA) (allegedly) changing the penalty on Alonso's pit stop, MBS (FIA) being sued by Suzie Wolff for claiming she leaked information.

What a complete and utter sh*tshow

[suffolk009]

Byker28i said:

Bildeston reporting Newey is in advanced talks with ferrari, because of the Horner controversy

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/265487/newey-in-tal...

That'd shake things up a bit.

[Byker28i]

anonymous_user said:

Tim the pool man said:

The "some folk" are the same few sad PH/LH fans who can't let ANYTHING go, fortunately they don't actually have any influence in the real world

if only CH had let things go in the real world, he wouldn't be in the quite the pickle he finds himself in

The problem is he did let himself go, then sent unsolicited photos

[Byker28i]

suffolk009 said:

Byker28i said:

Bildeston reporting Newey is in advanced talks with ferrari, because of the Horner controversy

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/265487/newey-in-tal...

That'd shake things up a bit.

Mentioned because of the earlier comment about how it's only PH keeping the story going and noone else cares - which obviously stuff is still all over the media.

But my first thought was that hadn't Bild been used before to leak stories, as part of the internal fight within Red Bull, so not sure how much weight to put into this.

However if true, if even the threat of it, adds another dimension

[anonymous-user]

If the endgame is ownership of the team Horner isn't going to let any RBR staff derail it. There will be other Verstappens and Neweys but there won't be other opportunities to get his feet under this particular table.

[skwdenyer]

suffolk009 said:

Byker28i said:

Bildeston reporting Newey is in advanced talks with ferrari, because of the Horner controversy

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/265487/newey-in-tal...

That'd shake things up a bit.

Just remember that Bild isn't exactly credited with the highest journalistic scores. Perhaps not quite at Sunday Sport levels of craziness, but...

[suffolk009]

Forester1965 said:

If the endgame is ownership of the team Horner isn't going to let any RBR staff derail it. There will be other Verstappens and Neweys but there won't be other opportunities to get his feet under this particular table.

There are clearly other drivers, but I cannot name any other Technical Director with the same record of success.

[suffolk009]

skwdenyer said:

Just remember that Bild isn't exactly credited with the highest journalistic scores. Perhaps not quite at Sunday Sport levels of craziness, but...

Quite. I'll believe it when I see Newey sitting on the pit wall wearing red.

[Evercross]

suffolk009 said:

Quite. I'll believe it when I see Newey sitting on the pit wall wearing red.

Indeed. I predicted a drip-feed of specious stories to try and maintain public consciousness of this story.

In other news - Newey has been tipped to be the next James Bond.

According to Bild "Bond is Adrian's job, should he wish to accept it. The formal offer is on the table and they are waiting to hear back".

[spookly]

Forester1965 said:

If the endgame is ownership of the team Horner isn't going to let any RBR staff derail it. There will be other Verstappens and Neweys but there won't be other opportunities to get his feet under this particular table.

I get why he may feel he deserves a slice of the action, but he's a bit late for that.
He's done 20 years as an employee, where *surprise* you don't get to share in company success other than contractually defined bonuses or other bones the owners throw you to pick over, as you're not an investor. Same as every other shmuck who works for a company, including me.
He should have tried to argue for some small share allowance up front, but I guess he didn't, or was told to FRO.

Even if he manages to organise a buyout with a load of other backers, he will be a massive minority in that arrangement, and I doubt he'd be given absolute free reign. Nobody putting $2+ billion in would accept CH having full control. And any money CH made or lost would be directly linked to the team going forwards, so he'd inherit a boat load of risk too. A few bad FIA decisions and any team can slip into the midfield and lose a lot of value and revenue.

If I was him, I'd put my mucky fingers away, take the millions already made, and go and have a quiet life where I won't be relentlessly mocked.

[anonymous-user]

suffolk009 said:

There are clearly other drivers, but I cannot name any other Technical Director with the same record of success.

He's credited (deservedly) with a lot of the success, but he's part of a larger set of building blocks. He's also getting on and won't be around for much longer relative to Horner and his purported ambitions.