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Seems like they brought along the worst parts of the ID range, i dont want to bang on with the negativity in here but i hoped for more. For people doing motorway at some speed its nice to have a less brick car choice aswell to get better range.
Id4 is selling well here in EV land aswell, third in place for 2023 after xc40 and Tesla Y. But for the first time ever the EVs have actually gone down from 40 to 38% of new car sales last month, the high interest rates are really tough for the EV market. Hopefully it create more affordable choices aswell further on..
Id4 is selling well here in EV land aswell, third in place for 2023 after xc40 and Tesla Y. But for the first time ever the EVs have actually gone down from 40 to 38% of new car sales last month, the high interest rates are really tough for the EV market. Hopefully it create more affordable choices aswell further on..
I can’t stand any of the id range so far. This is the least offensive to look at, and it still looks a bit like someone melted a good looking car with a hair dryer.
I’m not one of the regular EV bashing crew ( I have one..), but I suspect the ID3/ID4 does quite well based on brand alone, which isn’t as likely to hold up as well when the asking price for a high spec one is likely 70k. That’s got to be knocking on bmw i5 price.
I’m not one of the regular EV bashing crew ( I have one..), but I suspect the ID3/ID4 does quite well based on brand alone, which isn’t as likely to hold up as well when the asking price for a high spec one is likely 70k. That’s got to be knocking on bmw i5 price.
SDK said:
Carbon neutral but still with pollution tailpipe emissions. Plus the whole supply chain has to be using the Synthetic fuel too.
I'm sure it will happen eventually, but the fuel will definitely not be cheap - Likely pricing the average consumer out.
Well, catalysed indirect injection petrol local emissions are pretty tolerable going on negligible for local air quality. Ironically, DI lumps are a bit dirty...I'm sure it will happen eventually, but the fuel will definitely not be cheap - Likely pricing the average consumer out.
_ppan said:
Apart from what others said, it's _really_ inefficient energy wise and there are no green energy left overs. ]
Sorry, what, is Middle East sunshine about to run out? 
Efficiency is irrelevant in that regard and the whole thing is not zero sum. Building huge solar plants in the Gulf would not "take away" green energy from somewhere else. It's not like the Saudis are currently bankrolling all our renewables right now and that would all stop with a pivot to synthetic fuels. It would be as well as not instead of.
The plant costs and logistics and engineering etc to make enough of the stuff is pretty daunting, I agree. But I don't remotely accept the figures you quoted as being givens.
Any significant attempt to produce synthetic fuels would result in a dramatic fall in the per-unit of fuel cost to manufacture compared to today's tech, just as battery costs per KWH are a tiny fraction of what they once were.
You generously (not!) allowed for a quadrupling of efficiency, whereas battery costs have fallen by 10x in about decade and roughly another order of magnitude in the previous 10 years.
Granted, the costs may remain prohibitive and it may simply not be possible on that basis. I don't know enough to rule that out entirely. But do you know enough to be sure it can't be done 100 or 1,000 or 10,000 times cheaper 20 years from now?
D4rez said:
Most analysts don't expect it to be viable in the 10+ year horizon to do this at scale. Oh and synth fuels are part of the UK ban because they still have tailpipe filth
Indirect injection catalysed petrol engines are plenty clean enough re local air quality. DI petrol not to bad, especially latest ones with filters. And I'm not suggesting anyone synthesise dag-dag juice.Grrbang said:
0.23 drag coefficient being achievable in a practical-sized car these days is damn impressive. Must be much nicer on the motorways than my worst car (0.34).
That's a misunderstanding of the coefficient of drag. This is independent of size. It is just how good the shape is through a fluid. To get the actual drag force you need to multiply this drag number by the fluid density, frontal area and vehicle speed (squared).It's why a Tesla Model X can have a better (much, much better) drag coefficient than a Lotus Elise. So much so that the Tesla produces lower total drag despite being massively bigger in frontal area.
kambites said:
Motormatt said:
Pricing it above some excellent rivals from BMW, Tesla, Polestar and Hyundai is a brave move.
Size-wise it's on a par with the Model-S and i5 both of which are considerably more expensive. Polestar and Hyundai don't have any cars in this market yet. Whether the VW badge can compete in this market, especially with the glaring interface flaws this seems to have inherited from the other MEB cars, remains to be seen but it's a fair bit (about £20k) cheaper than the i5. Edited by kambites on Monday 13th November 10:47
Perhaps they hope consumers will see it as a cut price EQE or i5.
Jon_S_Rally said:
I don't disagree with that, but the big question is how long it takes to reach that solution. It might look (relatively) close in Europe and the UK but, in many other countries, it is decades and decades away. From a legislative perspective, as I said above, I can see governments in the more mature EV markets backing further away from legislation, especially in the current financial climate. For manufacturers, it is extremely challenging, especially if they want to operate on the global stage. Can BMW really afford to fall fully behind the EV concept when, in some markets, a good chunk of customers simply won't buy them? For the likes of Toyota, who sell huge amounts of product into the USA and Middle East, maintaining a balanced product line-up that incorporates both EVs and ICVs is going to be essential for several years yet.
I live in Saudi Arabia and the picture here is totally different to Europe. When I come back to the UK, I'm always surprised at how many EVs there are because, out here, there are hardly any. Heck, even down-sized, turbocharged ICEs haven't fully caught on. You can still buy loads of cars with 2.0-litre or even 2.5-litre normally-aspirated four-pots. The disparity across different markets is still enormous, and that's going to be a big issue for manufacturers in the coming years.
And the price of a litre of petrol in Saudi Arabia is? I live in Saudi Arabia and the picture here is totally different to Europe. When I come back to the UK, I'm always surprised at how many EVs there are because, out here, there are hardly any. Heck, even down-sized, turbocharged ICEs haven't fully caught on. You can still buy loads of cars with 2.0-litre or even 2.5-litre normally-aspirated four-pots. The disparity across different markets is still enormous, and that's going to be a big issue for manufacturers in the coming years.
Approx 2.33 Riyals or about 51p. It like in Norway where electricity is cheap, so loads more people drive EVs.
cerb4.5lee said:
I'd much rather have a Senator 24v or a Rover 800 thanks. 
Funnily enough I’ve had both of those and I’d agree.These remind me of those plastic aircraft kits you got in the 60’s and 70’s, the good quality ones that everything worked / fitted first time were made by Airfix or Revill (think; Porsche and Audi) and the meh ones were made by Frog (think; VW): I think that’s a fair analogy..
I’ve said it before in other forums but this thing: I’d rather eat my own head than have one.
D4rez said:
DaveyBoyWonder said:
covmutley said:
A salary sacrifice big blob for families.
Meh
Fairly accurate description for most EVsMeh
You only have to look at the majority of the cars on the road to understand that hardly anyone is actually "into" cars, and it is only a few of us saddos on here that seem to love them I think. Most folk don't seem to give a car a second thought I reckon.
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