45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)
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silentbrown said:
V6 Pushfit said:
Double bluff. Russia needs Trump as while he’s in power the US is a complete mess. He’s the ideal adversary.
Yes, but... While the US needs to replace Trump to start getting out of this mess, that process is going to make the mess even deeper and smellier. This is just further stirring by Putin. What's his end game, though - Major civil unrest with a minority that's (surprise,surprise) significantly better armed?and many other GOP members. Paul Ryan's coverup, the NRA's additional $30m funding etc. The implications are huge and will sow further mistrust amongst the US population towards all politicians.
During a meeting at the G20 summit in Argentina with German chancellor Angela Merkel, Trump was asked by a reporter “Do you regret any of your comments about Bush or the family in the past?”
Trump listened to the question, said “Thank you very much, everybody,” and motioned for reporters to leave.
Trump listened to the question, said “Thank you very much, everybody,” and motioned for reporters to leave.
V6 Pushfit said:
Double bluff. Russia needs Trump as while he’s in power the US is a complete mess. He’s the ideal adversary.
US a complete mess?..i think Macron ,Merkel and May would like to be preciding over such a mess!!..stock markets and currency flows would suggest Trump is doing something right.Byker28i said:
The two are explicitly linked. The russians funded trump for years, certainly since he announced running for president in 2013 whilst at Miss World in Russia,where he made Putins girlfriend win and the Kompromat tape was allegedly made. Funded from at least 2008 onwards by overpaying for property no-one else bought, through russians using shell companies.
Last week it was confirmed that trump was still negotiating a huge deal with Putin, offering $50m kickbacks and promising to put an end to US Sanctions, whilst being confirmed as GOP candidate, whilst being briefed on the russian election interference, even after he was elected and confirmed as President, he continued negotiating with letters of intent for building complexes in russia far into 2017.
You cannot separate the money from the conspiracy to defraud the US (https://www.justice.gov/jm/criminal-resource-manual-923-18-usc-371-conspiracy-defraud-us), it's all explicitly linked. Trump never thought he would win, but that he would become richer using other peoples money. Putin didn't know if he would win but he put effort behind trump as he was promising the end to sanctions which has cost Putin billions.
It's why trump has continuously lied about everything to do with russia, their meetings, the assistance, their involvement in the DNC hacked data, the money trump received, even funneled through the NRA. It's why trump family, heavily involved in the moscow tower deal, heavily involved in the trump tower meeting with the russians, have continuously lied.
It's huge - it makes nixons crimes look childish
https://www.justice.gov/jm/criminal-resource-manua...
Very good, it doesn't change the fact that there is very little if any evidence that Russian involvement made any discernible difference on the out come of the election. Last week it was confirmed that trump was still negotiating a huge deal with Putin, offering $50m kickbacks and promising to put an end to US Sanctions, whilst being confirmed as GOP candidate, whilst being briefed on the russian election interference, even after he was elected and confirmed as President, he continued negotiating with letters of intent for building complexes in russia far into 2017.
You cannot separate the money from the conspiracy to defraud the US (https://www.justice.gov/jm/criminal-resource-manual-923-18-usc-371-conspiracy-defraud-us), it's all explicitly linked. Trump never thought he would win, but that he would become richer using other peoples money. Putin didn't know if he would win but he put effort behind trump as he was promising the end to sanctions which has cost Putin billions.
It's why trump has continuously lied about everything to do with russia, their meetings, the assistance, their involvement in the DNC hacked data, the money trump received, even funneled through the NRA. It's why trump family, heavily involved in the moscow tower deal, heavily involved in the trump tower meeting with the russians, have continuously lied.
It's huge - it makes nixons crimes look childish
https://www.justice.gov/jm/criminal-resource-manua...
What did Trump's campaign cost about £400 million compared to the oppositions £700 million. Even if they did massively finance him it did exactly give him a unfair advantage. Add to the fact almost the entire media establishment was against him, what was it? Something like 80% news coverage was negative to Trump in run up to the election. All the celebrities and famous people against him.
Supposed it would be just a easy answer thinking that a country with a economy smaller than Texas a single state of America somehow brainwashed and controlled almost half of America. Where almost the entire mainstream media, celebrity, popular culture and big business failed. Instead of just admitting that half the population disagree with you and possibly never will agree with you. And another chunk of the people who you think agree with actually don't but know better than not to bite the hand that feeds them.
The Russian collusion thing is like crashing your car and then coming up with the excuse you mate in the back distracted you. Instead of admitting you was twice the limit was speeding and general a s
t driver. Not-The-Messiah said:
The Russian collusion thing is like crashing your car and then coming up with the excuse you mate in the back distracted you. Instead of admitting you was twice the limit was speeding and general a st driver.
Are there any pro-Trumpers out there with a shred of intellect to bring to the discussion or is this kind of st driver. te all they have to offer?The C.I.A. has evidence that Mohammed bin Salman, the Saudi crown prince, communicated repeatedly with a key aide around the time that a team believed to have been under the aide’s command assassinated Jamal Khashoggi
This is some of the evidence that trump ignored
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/02/us/politics/cro...
This is some of the evidence that trump ignored
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/02/us/politics/cro...
minimoog said:
Not-The-Messiah said:
The Russian collusion thing is like crashing your car and then coming up with the excuse you mate in the back distracted you. Instead of admitting you was twice the limit was speeding and general a st driver.
Are there any pro-Trumpers out there with a shred of intellect to bring to the discussion or is this kind of st driver. te all they have to offer?When trump finally had to admit that the russians had interfered, as late as march this year, he too insisted that “the Russians had no impact on our votes whatsoever.”
James Clapper, the former director of National Intelligence, said that “it stretches credulity to think the Russians didn’t turn the election.”
“Cyberwar: How Russian Hackers and Trolls Helped Elect a President—What We Don’t, Can’t, and Do Know,” by Kathleen Hall Jamieson, a professor of communications at the University of Pennsylvania, offers a forensic analysis of the available evidence and concludes that Russia very likely delivered Trump’s victory.
Clinton got nearly 2.9 million more votes than Trump, and Trump won the Electoral College only because some eighty thousand votes went his way in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania,.
Evidence presented to the Senate committee revealed that material generated by the Kremlin had reached a hundred and twenty-six million American Facebook users, leading Senator Dianne Feinstein to call the cyberattack “cataclysmic.” We know these targeted messages were linked to the trump campaign messages
Thats before we even get to wikileaks and the democrat hacks, the release of those emails and how team trump knew all about them, were actively involved and how they were used to swing the voting in the last weeks.
I could keep going but to take the view that they had no influence is quite frankly tantamount to sticking your head in the sand, whilst NTM stands abouve shouting "not listening" as usual.
James Clapper, the former director of National Intelligence, said that “it stretches credulity to think the Russians didn’t turn the election.”
“Cyberwar: How Russian Hackers and Trolls Helped Elect a President—What We Don’t, Can’t, and Do Know,” by Kathleen Hall Jamieson, a professor of communications at the University of Pennsylvania, offers a forensic analysis of the available evidence and concludes that Russia very likely delivered Trump’s victory.
Clinton got nearly 2.9 million more votes than Trump, and Trump won the Electoral College only because some eighty thousand votes went his way in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania,.
Evidence presented to the Senate committee revealed that material generated by the Kremlin had reached a hundred and twenty-six million American Facebook users, leading Senator Dianne Feinstein to call the cyberattack “cataclysmic.” We know these targeted messages were linked to the trump campaign messages
Thats before we even get to wikileaks and the democrat hacks, the release of those emails and how team trump knew all about them, were actively involved and how they were used to swing the voting in the last weeks.
I could keep going but to take the view that they had no influence is quite frankly tantamount to sticking your head in the sand, whilst NTM stands abouve shouting "not listening" as usual.
Not-The-Messiah said:
Very good, it doesn't change the fact that there is very little if any evidence that Russian involvement made any discernible difference on the out come of the election.
Read this please NTM:Byker28i said:
James Clapper, the former director of National Intelligence, said that “it stretches credulity to think the Russians didn’t turn the election.”
“Cyberwar: How Russian Hackers and Trolls Helped Elect a President—What We Don’t, Can’t, and Do Know,” by Kathleen Hall Jamieson, a professor of communications at the University of Pennsylvania, offers a forensic analysis of the available evidence and concludes that Russia very likely delivered Trump’s victory.
Clinton got nearly 2.9 million more votes than Trump, and Trump won the Electoral College only because some eighty thousand votes went his way in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania,.
Evidence presented to the Senate committee revealed that material generated by the Kremlin had reached a hundred and twenty-six million American Facebook users, leading Senator Dianne Feinstein to call the cyberattack “cataclysmic.” We know these targeted messages were linked to the trump campaign messages
Is "very little if any evidence" really your position here?“Cyberwar: How Russian Hackers and Trolls Helped Elect a President—What We Don’t, Can’t, and Do Know,” by Kathleen Hall Jamieson, a professor of communications at the University of Pennsylvania, offers a forensic analysis of the available evidence and concludes that Russia very likely delivered Trump’s victory.
Clinton got nearly 2.9 million more votes than Trump, and Trump won the Electoral College only because some eighty thousand votes went his way in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania,.
Evidence presented to the Senate committee revealed that material generated by the Kremlin had reached a hundred and twenty-six million American Facebook users, leading Senator Dianne Feinstein to call the cyberattack “cataclysmic.” We know these targeted messages were linked to the trump campaign messages
Byker28i said:
When trump finally had to admit that the russians had interfered, as late as march this year, he too insisted that “the Russians had no impact on our votes whatsoever.”
James Clapper, the former director of National Intelligence, said that “it stretches credulity to think the Russians didn’t turn the election.”
“Cyberwar: How Russian Hackers and Trolls Helped Elect a President—What We Don’t, Can’t, and Do Know,” by Kathleen Hall Jamieson, a professor of communications at the University of Pennsylvania, offers a forensic analysis of the available evidence and concludes that Russia very likely delivered Trump’s victory.
Clinton got nearly 2.9 million more votes than Trump, and Trump won the Electoral College only because some eighty thousand votes went his way in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania,.
Evidence presented to the Senate committee revealed that material generated by the Kremlin had reached a hundred and twenty-six million American Facebook users, leading Senator Dianne Feinstein to call the cyberattack “cataclysmic.” We know these targeted messages were linked to the trump campaign messages
Thats before we even get to wikileaks and the democrat hacks, the release of those emails and how team trump knew all about them, were actively involved and how they were used to swing the voting in the last weeks.
I could keep going but to take the view that they had no influence is quite frankly tantamount to sticking your head in the sand, whilst NTM stands abouve shouting "not listening" as usual.
If they interfered as you clearly think they did..what did they actually do to make people vote for Trump?just asking that's all..James Clapper, the former director of National Intelligence, said that “it stretches credulity to think the Russians didn’t turn the election.”
“Cyberwar: How Russian Hackers and Trolls Helped Elect a President—What We Don’t, Can’t, and Do Know,” by Kathleen Hall Jamieson, a professor of communications at the University of Pennsylvania, offers a forensic analysis of the available evidence and concludes that Russia very likely delivered Trump’s victory.
Clinton got nearly 2.9 million more votes than Trump, and Trump won the Electoral College only because some eighty thousand votes went his way in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania,.
Evidence presented to the Senate committee revealed that material generated by the Kremlin had reached a hundred and twenty-six million American Facebook users, leading Senator Dianne Feinstein to call the cyberattack “cataclysmic.” We know these targeted messages were linked to the trump campaign messages
Thats before we even get to wikileaks and the democrat hacks, the release of those emails and how team trump knew all about them, were actively involved and how they were used to swing the voting in the last weeks.
I could keep going but to take the view that they had no influence is quite frankly tantamount to sticking your head in the sand, whilst NTM stands abouve shouting "not listening" as usual.
Not-The-Messiah said:
I do find the Troll label very telling, I have a difference of opinion which doesn't go along with the agreed narrative so that makes me a Troll. It makes you someone that needs to use personal insults to argue a point.
Nope, you're a troll. And you're also very selective as to which posts you respond to, seemingly only paying attention to ones that you can use to continue to trumpet your false narrative. kayc said:
f they interfered as you clearly think they did..what did they actually do to make people vote for Trump?just asking that's all..
Phrasing like this is what bothers me: "you clearly think they did". Every single US intelligence agency categorically states that they did. Byker doesn't "think they did" he looks at the facts and repeats them here._dobbo_ said:
Phrasing like this is what bothers me: "you clearly think they did". Every single US intelligence agency categorically states that they did. Byker doesn't "think they did" he looks at the facts and repeats them here.
Facts produced by anti-Trump agencies to be fair,everyone seems to ignore the 'real' clearcut fact that even if the Russians did get involved all they did do was prove that Hillary was using a private server that she wasn't allowed to..i would have though voters should be pleased to know that before the elected her?kayc said:
_dobbo_ said:
Anti Trump agencies? The FBI, CIA etc? Okey Dokey.....
I think you will they aren't on great terms.Are there any people/news agencies that you think are not biased?
Old Man Fred said:
No, Trump just doesn't like them because they provide the truth and they don't agree to his impulsive very dubious decision making. Trump hates them, not the other way around.
Are there any people/news agencies that you think are not biased?
Tbh no..Trump is just anti-establishment so will never be well supported by those people ..he only got voted in by like minded people fed up with bullsAre there any people/news agencies that you think are not biased?
t self-serving establishment..in Trump lots of people have been given hope..contrary to lots of the postings on here state.kayc said:
f they interfered as you clearly think they did..what did they actually do to make people vote for Trump?just asking that's all..
It's worth adding that Comey probably had a large influence in the last few days when he announced the FBI were reopening the investigation into Clintons emails.We know that trump attracted the floating voters, those that had had enough with the establishment, the norm, backed by targeted social media.
Those seeking a reason for who to vote for would be influenced that way. Would trump have got so many votes if the electorate knew he was conspiring with the russians, had funding from the russians, was working on business deals with the russians? Why do you think he denied it so much.
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