Theresa May

[bitchstewie]

psi310398 said:

bhstewie said:

Bingo

I'd also favour an outsider because both the Conservatives and politics in general needs a bloody good kick up the arse.

Isn't this a fairly futile exercise as it probably really won't matter very much at all who leads the Tory party for the next thirty years?

Possibly.

But Labour have the same issue to some degree as Corbyn won't be around forever.

My personal hope is that we end up with a credible centre party, which is odd as we should already have one but appear not to.

[Cobnapint]

Helicopter123 said:

Here are the stats on JRM from the Yougov Poll on 15th November is response to the question Thinking about who might become Conservative leader and Prime Minister were Theresa May to resign, do you think each of the following would make a good or bad leader?

I've also left the stats in for Sajid Javid to by way of comparison.

Look at the responses by Conservative and non-conservative voters.

Now post up your evidence that contradicts this please?

Flawed arguement. Would Labour voters really admit who the most effective Tory would be to take them on in an election. Why would they tip the wink as to who they're most afraid of...? No.

And to top that, your 'stats' (lol) show JRM to be more popular amongst his fellow party members than SJ, so open your mouth and change your foot.

[768]

techguyone said:

It’s time for Britain to announce what it will do if the EU can’t make an acceptable offer by March 29 next year — and how it would handle no deal.

Well, yes, except that time isn't by March 29 next year, it's now. We should be turning our efforts to ensuring the success of no deal with everyone given sufficient notice. I can't see a deal being viable at this point.

[Helicopter123]

bhstewie said:

Possibly.

But Labour have the same issue to some degree as Corbyn won't be around forever.

My personal hope is that we end up with a credible centre party, which is odd as we should already have one but appear not to.

We've always had a centre party in the UK, in truth sometimes 2, sometimes 3.

New Labour were centre-left, the majority of Tory MPs are centre-right. It could be that the proximity of Labour and Conservative to the political centre has prevented a true centre party from growing.

Today, the Liberal Democrats should be thriving but they are led by an undertaker with seemingly limited political clout of vision. They are also still toxic post the coalition and associated selling out accusations.

[Cobnapint]

EddieSteadyGo said:

JRM has no chance of becoming PM. He might do well on a ballot of the Conservative party membership, but he won't get that far, as MPs won't let him get onto the top 2 shortlist. For that reason, I wouldn't even expect him to put his hat into the ring should an opportunity arise. He would instead most likely leverage his influence of the ERG types, to try and secure himself a senior cabinet position. He could achieve this by backing whoever he perceives would most likely be the winning horse, early in the race.

Yes, I'd agree with that.

[Helicopter123]

Cobnapint said:

Helicopter123 said:

Here are the stats on JRM from the Yougov Poll on 15th November is response to the question Thinking about who might become Conservative leader and Prime Minister were Theresa May to resign, do you think each of the following would make a good or bad leader?

I've also left the stats in for Sajid Javid to by way of comparison.

Look at the responses by Conservative and non-conservative voters.

Now post up your evidence that contradicts this please?

Flawed arguement. Would Labour voters really admit who the most effective Tory would be to take them on in an election. Why would they tip the wink as to who they're most afraid of...? No.

And to top that, your 'stats' (lol) show JRM to be more popular amongst his fellow party members than SJ, so open your mouth and change your foot.

Don't be a clown, I'm showing you that JRM is popular amongst conservative voters, but not with the wider electorate.

[anonymous-user]

techguyone said:

I like the Aussies for straight no nonsense thinking, perhaps our lot would do well to consider this little piece.

Aussie (ex PM) Tony Abbott sums it up beautifully!-----

<snip>

So all the things we want, but the EU won’t give us in a negotiated settlement, are things that it will hand over if we walk away.

And the money it wants from us in a negotiated settlement is money it won’t want if we walk away.

Right. Got it.

[anonymous-user]

Cobnapint said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

JRM has no chance of becoming PM. He might do well on a ballot of the Conservative party membership, but he won't get that far, as MPs won't let him get onto the top 2 shortlist. For that reason, I wouldn't even expect him to put his hat into the ring should an opportunity arise. He would instead most likely leverage his influence of the ERG types, to try and secure himself a senior cabinet position. He could achieve this by backing whoever he perceives would most likely be the winning horse, early in the race.

Yes, I'd agree with that.

JRM fancies himself as the kingmaker. All of the power with none of the responsibility.

[andy_s]

hyphen said:

andy_s said:

hyphen said:

Also don't forget in time of turmoil, Brits are regarded as wanting to turn to the toffs.

What's wrong with that? Are 'toffs' less intelligent, less educated, less able than anyone else?

Well clearly you are a less educated toff, as you couldn't spot the difference between an observation and an opinion.

A genuine question on that observation, keep your shirt on.

[davepoth]

Greg66 said:

So all the things we want, but the EU won’t give us in a negotiated settlement, are things that it will hand over if we walk away.

And the money it wants from us in a negotiated settlement is money it won’t want if we walk away.

Right. Got it.

Spin it around. Free Trade Agreements with third countries follow a very different negotiation process to the one we have seen for Brexit.

If we leave with no deal then we are a third country, and so the negotiations would follow a similar track to those with Canada, or South Korea - neither of which required an enduring customs union, the ECJ being the ultimate arbiter of disputes, or the payment of large sums of money.

[Cobnapint]

Helicopter123 said:

Don't be a clown, I'm showing you that JRM is popular amongst conservative voters, but not with the wider electorate.

The wider electorate? You mean Labour and LD voters as indicated on your chart, yes? Which takes me back to my original point about turkeys and christmas.

[anonymous-user]

Puggit said:

May says 48 letters hasn't been reached

She doesn't know. It's against party rules for anyone to know but the chairman of the 1922 committee.

Another lie.

[anonymous-user]

jsf said:

Puggit said:

May says 48 letters hasn't been reached

She doesn't know. It's against party rules for anyone to know but the chairman of the 1922 committee.

Another lie.

It isn't a lie. I posted earlier, she gets notified at the point the threshold is reached. So she knows whether or not she has been notified and therefore she knows if it has been reached or not.

Brady's obligation for secrecy is to not disclose how many letters he has received or to disclose who has sent them. So something completely different.

[Puggit]

I understood Brady has 48 hours to go public if the threshold is reached. So the threshold may have been reached, and we're currently in that window?

[anonymous-user]

Puggit said:

I understood Brady has 48 hours to go public if the threshold is reached. So the threshold may have been reached, and we're currently in that window?

The PM gets advance notification though.

[Helicopter123]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Puggit said:

I understood Brady has 48 hours to go public if the threshold is reached. So the threshold may have been reached, and we're currently in that window?

The PM gets advance notification though.

Correct.

Provides an opportunity to resign.

[anonymous-user]

EddieSteadyGo said:

The PM gets advance notification though.

The normal protocol is that once the threshold is breached the chairman confirms with the letter wriers they are still wanting a contest.

Thats most likely to happen in the HOC on the day after the number is reached.

Until that is confirmed he cant tell anyone, including the PM

[anonymous-user]

Puggit said:

I understood Brady has 48 hours to go public if the threshold is reached. So the threshold may have been reached, and we're currently in that window?

Once the threshold is reached does he have to go public?

[juice]

desolate said:

In every way possible.

Never earned anything in his life.
Got his place in a top universitiy because of his connections.
Got a stty degree.
Got a safe seat because if who he is

The worst type of politician imaginable.

He's my MP. I judge people on their actions and he does a great job for this area imo...he's very active in the community.

The Mogg family have been in this area since the late 1700's so to say it's a safe seat because of who he is, is frankly bks. He's got deeper ties to this area than 2/3rds of the people round here, he couldn't BE more local !

[PurpleMoonlight]

jsf said:

The normal protocol is that once the threshold is breached the chairman confirms with the letter wriers they are still wanting a contest.

Thats most likely to happen in the HOC on the day after the number is reached.

Until that is confirmed he cant tell anyone, including the PM

You mean they get the opportunity to ratify their decision or change their mind?

How novel.