Ask a car salesman anything...anything at all.
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SmoothCriminal said:
Because why should every other taxpayer pay for your commission did they choose to take a job with 12k basic.
Why dont you go to your employer and ask for a decent wage rather than expect everyone else to pay for it or better still why don't they pay a better wage in the first place.
There are people on their knees and your employers are expecting everyone else to pick up the tab because they pay a slave labour wage.
Clueless at best .Why dont you go to your employer and ask for a decent wage rather than expect everyone else to pay for it or better still why don't they pay a better wage in the first place.
There are people on their knees and your employers are expecting everyone else to pick up the tab because they pay a slave labour wage.
SmoothCriminal said:
Because why should every other taxpayer pay for your commission did they choose to take a job with 12k basic.
Why dont you go to your employer and ask for a decent wage rather than expect everyone else to pay for it or better still why don't they pay a better wage in the first place.
There are people on their knees and your employers are expecting everyone else to pick up the tab because they pay a slave labour wage.
Why dont you go to your employer and ask for a decent wage rather than expect everyone else to pay for it or better still why don't they pay a better wage in the first place.
There are people on their knees and your employers are expecting everyone else to pick up the tab because they pay a slave labour wage.
Butter Face said:
As for the government paying for it, we probably pay an awful lot more in tax and NI than 99% of the other people who work in the same buildings as us, they will be getting 80% of a higher amount because they aren’t targeted/don’t make as much profit for the company as we do, so I don’t think it unrealistic to hope for the higher a amount to be paid to us.
The problem is what you pay in has no correlation to what you get out at the other end.Car dealers have had it good with the pay structure in the good times it's only right that they should be topping up their workers wages to a decent amount rather than expecting the tax payer to.
And yet, I am still going I to work on Wednesday along with a few others, off our own backs, as we have 250 new and used cars on site, including 50 electric and hybrid cars that all need starting up, charging, and running for an hour, to save the business 1000 quid a time for new batteries if they start failing.
Hey, but that's why I get paid a basic wage eh?
Hey, but that's why I get paid a basic wage eh?
Mr Criminal.
A earns the UK average income, salaried, HMG pays 80%
B earns the UK average income, basic and commission, HMG pays 80%.
C earns the UK average income, no basic all commission, HMG pays 80%.
HMG is not making a distinction, yet you are. Why should B & C not get the same consideration that A (and the self employed) are getting?
HMG has put together a series of protection measures, but you're saying sales people should be excluded?
When I reference average UK income, many sales people will know that I'm deliberately taking the piss here to make my point, most of them don't earn anything like as much as that and their 80% of average income most likely won't reach the £2500 cap.
A earns the UK average income, salaried, HMG pays 80%
B earns the UK average income, basic and commission, HMG pays 80%.
C earns the UK average income, no basic all commission, HMG pays 80%.
HMG is not making a distinction, yet you are. Why should B & C not get the same consideration that A (and the self employed) are getting?
HMG has put together a series of protection measures, but you're saying sales people should be excluded?
When I reference average UK income, many sales people will know that I'm deliberately taking the piss here to make my point, most of them don't earn anything like as much as that and their 80% of average income most likely won't reach the £2500 cap.
Edited by 21st Century Man on Monday 30th March 12:11
21st Century Man said:
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A earns the UK average income, salaried, HMG pays 80%
B earns the UK average income, basic and commission, HMG pays 80%.
C earns the UK average income, no basic all commission, HMG pays 80%.
HMG is not making a distinction, yet you are. Why should B & C not get the same consideration that A (and the self employed)
If it was the same treatment as the self employed surely all car salesmen who earned over £50,000 in the last few years should get nothing?A earns the UK average income, salaried, HMG pays 80%
B earns the UK average income, basic and commission, HMG pays 80%.
C earns the UK average income, no basic all commission, HMG pays 80%.
HMG is not making a distinction, yet you are. Why should B & C not get the same consideration that A (and the self employed)
berlintaxi said:
21st Century Man said:
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A earns the UK average income, salaried, HMG pays 80%
B earns the UK average income, basic and commission, HMG pays 80%.
C earns the UK average income, no basic all commission, HMG pays 80%.
HMG is not making a distinction, yet you are. Why should B & C not get the same consideration that A (and the self employed)
If it was the same treatment as the self employed surely all car salesmen who earned over £50,000 in the last few years should get nothing?A earns the UK average income, salaried, HMG pays 80%
B earns the UK average income, basic and commission, HMG pays 80%.
C earns the UK average income, no basic all commission, HMG pays 80%.
HMG is not making a distinction, yet you are. Why should B & C not get the same consideration that A (and the self employed)
Edited by 21st Century Man on Monday 30th March 13:01
SmoothCriminal said:
Good!
why do "some" car salesmen expect the taxpayer to pick up the tab because their employers pay them a s
t wage.
If you can't live on your basic about time you started asking your employers to pay you a decent wage.
What a shocking attitude............. Presumably you have never worked in a sales role in your life........... Right or wrong, the lions share of sales roles in existence are all made up of a basic + commission the idea being to incentivate. why do "some" car salesmen expect the taxpayer to pick up the tab because their employers pay them a s
t wage.If you can't live on your basic about time you started asking your employers to pay you a decent wage.
However after the comment above - you need to take a long hard look at yourself...........
On the link below it mentions about workers who have a pay which varies. Surely we fit into this bracket? 80% of even Feb is better than just basic.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-t...
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-t...
d8mok said:
On the link below it mentions about workers who have a pay which varies. Surely we fit into this bracket? 80% of even Feb is better than just basic.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-t...
Yup, I posted the same on Saturday. ( sorry for the self quoting)https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-t...
talksthetorque said:
I have had to do some investigation in to furloughing as I am in a business that serves the exhibition industry, so things are very quiet.
I thought this would be useful for the Car sales guys out there ( and indeed anyone whose salary fluctuates) who may be affected by furloughing.
So they can claim for earnings not basic - if they want to.I thought this would be useful for the Car sales guys out there ( and indeed anyone whose salary fluctuates) who may be affected by furloughing.
gov.uk said:
Employees whose pay varies
If the employee has been employed (or engaged by an employment business) for a full twelve months prior to the claim, you can claim for the higher of either:
the same month’s earning from the previous year
average monthly earnings from the 2019-20 tax year
If the employee has been employed for less than a year, you can claim for an average of their monthly earnings since they started work.
If the employee only started in February 2020, use a pro-rata for their earnings so far to claim.
Once you’ve worked out how much of an employee’s salary you can claim for, you must then work out the amount of Employer National Insurance Contributions and minimum automatic enrolment employer pension contributions you are entitled to claim.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-through-the-coronavirus-job-retention-schemeIf the employee has been employed (or engaged by an employment business) for a full twelve months prior to the claim, you can claim for the higher of either:
the same month’s earning from the previous year
average monthly earnings from the 2019-20 tax year
If the employee has been employed for less than a year, you can claim for an average of their monthly earnings since they started work.
If the employee only started in February 2020, use a pro-rata for their earnings so far to claim.
Once you’ve worked out how much of an employee’s salary you can claim for, you must then work out the amount of Employer National Insurance Contributions and minimum automatic enrolment employer pension contributions you are entitled to claim.
You guys may want to show this to your HR department and the decision makers if you have received letters indicating you would be worse off.
If they are still paying commission in full in arrears then it might be better for you to leave commission out of the equation.
Edited by talksthetorque on Monday 30th March 17:03
Thanks chaps, this is info I’ve seen and that my company seems to think they will be paying us from, so should get the higher amount all being well!
We’re getting March commission paid at the end of April as normal, but from end of May we will get paid whatever we do under the scheme as obviously we won’t deliver much/anything in April to earn any commission.
We’re getting March commission paid at the end of April as normal, but from end of May we will get paid whatever we do under the scheme as obviously we won’t deliver much/anything in April to earn any commission.
Butter Face said:
I think you’ll be lucky to get any deal at the moment, most dealerships will be closed while this all blows over.
If you don’t need your car and you haven’t got any equity in it then yes, you could give it back.
Hypothetically, if there’s positive equity in the car...what then?If you don’t need your car and you haven’t got any equity in it then yes, you could give it back.
itcaptainslow said:
Butter Face said:
I think you’ll be lucky to get any deal at the moment, most dealerships will be closed while this all blows over.
If you don’t need your car and you haven’t got any equity in it then yes, you could give it back.
Hypothetically, if there’s positive equity in the car...what then?If you don’t need your car and you haven’t got any equity in it then yes, you could give it back.
You can always email the dealership now, someone will likely be able to look at it but I imagine the scope of what they can do right now will be limited!!
itcaptainslow said:
Butter Face said:
I think you’ll be lucky to get any deal at the moment, most dealerships will be closed while this all blows over.
If you don’t need your car and you haven’t got any equity in it then yes, you could give it back.
Hypothetically, if there’s positive equity in the car...what then?If you don’t need your car and you haven’t got any equity in it then yes, you could give it back.
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