Driving an HGV (Tractor Unit) on car licence, possible??

Driving an HGV (Tractor Unit) on car licence, possible??

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rash_decision

Original Poster:

1,387 posts

159 months

Thursday 22nd September 2011
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I seem to remember a number of years ago reading that it's possible to drive an Articulated Lorry type Tractor Unit, on a car licence if you remove the 5th Wheel from it, as it's then no longer an articulated vehicle??

I've tried a search on Google to no avail!! Anybody know anything about this or where I could find out? Cheers.

stevensdrs

3,075 posts

182 months

Thursday 22nd September 2011
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My google must work better than yours as there is loads of info on this.

In a nutshell you cannot drive it on a Car Licence (Cat B)
You can drive it on a C1 if it is less than 7.5 Tonnes. (unlikely to be that light)
You can drive it on a C but not with the trailer.

anonymous-user

36 months

Thursday 22nd September 2011
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As far as I understand it, if you passed your test before 1999 you automatically have 7.5T allowance.

And most tractor units are rated at 7.5T (with the 5th wheel plated) so they are drivable on a car license. Although I tried one out of our yard when I was 19 and it was the scariest thing ever. SO much power. Big black lines down the road... And brown ones in my pants.

I am not a legal expert though. I got that info from the Class 1 drivers.

TPS

1,860 posts

195 months

Friday 23rd September 2011
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Opulent said:
As far as I understand it, if you passed your test before 1999 you automatically have 7.5T allowance.
Before 1997 i would imagine as the licence changes happened in january 1997.

rash_decision

Original Poster:

1,387 posts

159 months

Friday 23rd September 2011
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stevensdrs said:
My google must work better than yours as there is loads of info on this.

In a nutshell you cannot drive it on a Car Licence (Cat B)
You can drive it on a C1 if it is less than 7.5 Tonnes. (unlikely to be that light)
You can drive it on a C but not with the trailer.
I can find the info you've posted, but can't see anything anywhere that tells me if it's legal or not to remove the 5th Wheel from a normally Articulated Vehicle, to allow it to fall into the categories above.

Edited by rash_decision on Friday 23 September 00:47

anonymous-user

36 months

Friday 23rd September 2011
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TPS said:
Opulent said:
As far as I understand it, if you passed your test before 1999 you automatically have 7.5T allowance.
Before 1997 i would imagine as the licence changes happened in january 1997.
Aha. Orthopaedic shoes, etc.

saaby93

31,658 posts

160 months

Friday 23rd September 2011
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R0G

4,944 posts

137 months

Friday 23rd September 2011
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I know all about this.

Since 1997 (possibly before) the licencing laws follow the rules set down by the EU

The current licence rules are based on weight (MAM) or can be superceded by the number of seats

Up to 3500kgs MAM = B licence
From 3500 to 7500 = C1 licence
over 7500 = C licence
If any of the above have 10 or more seats then they come under PCV D1 or D licences

An artic unit may physically weight less than 7500 but if not plated at less than 7500 then it comes under the rules for a C licence

It would have to be plated and weigh less than 3500 to be allowed for a B licence

It is possible to have a unit downplated to under 7500 which Chris Eubank might have done if he does not have a C licence

The fifth wheel being on or off has no bearing like it did under the old HGV rules which is now why when referring to anything above 3.5 tonnes they are LGVs and not HGVs



Edited by R0G on Friday 23 September 16:33

handpaper

1,220 posts

185 months

Friday 23rd September 2011
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Just for information, my current (11-plate DAF 105 XF) tractor unit weighs 8500Kg, the previous one (06 DAF 95 XF) weighed 8300Kg.
Unless it's a Euro-spec 38-tonne unit with no mid-lift and a small fuel tank you'll probably struggle to get under 7.5t.

fangio

988 posts

216 months

Sunday 25th September 2011
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2 axle day cabs can come in under 6.5 tons....

Super Slo Mo

5,368 posts

180 months

Sunday 25th September 2011
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fangio said:
2 axle day cabs can come in under 6.5 tons....
They may well do, but they're still likely to be plated at 18 tonnes gross, which requires a cat c licence.

Super Slo Mo

5,368 posts

180 months

Sunday 25th September 2011
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R0G said:
It is possible to have a unit downplated to under 7500 which Chris Eubank might have done if he does not have a C licence


Edited by R0G on Friday 23 September 16:33
He has a cat c, I remember reading about it years ago, before the rules changed, so he had the 5th wheel removed.
His truck's massive anyway, it'll be well into double figures weight wise.
Don't think it's speed limited either, I saw it come past me at about 90, in lane 3 of the m6, at least 10 years ago. that's assuming he still has it of course.

Cyberprog

2,103 posts

165 months

Sunday 25th September 2011
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Super Slo Mo said:
They may well do, but they're still likely to be plated at 18 tonnes gross, which requires a cat c licence.
You could have it re-plated.

Super Slo Mo

5,368 posts

180 months

Sunday 25th September 2011
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Cyberprog said:
You could have it re-plated.
You could indeed, I think rog explained it all pretty well.
To answer the op's question simply, you don't need to remove the 5th wheel but do need to replate it below 7.5 tonnes, if it weighs less than this.
It still requires a cat c1 licence though.