Is there a downside to K&N or Green Filters?

Is there a downside to K&N or Green Filters?

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SVS

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3,824 posts

272 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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Hi everyone,

I often see performance air filters advertised, such as K&N and Green. Is there a downside to them in the car?

On the bike, I've heard two mechanics advise against using them. The advice was that whilst they let in more air, but didn't filter as well as an OE filter. Any thoughts?

lyonspride

2,978 posts

156 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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As far as I know, the only reason the manufacturers don't fit these life long air filters, is that it's less profitable in the long term (re servicing etc).

They don't stop as much dust getting through (you can actually see daylight light through a K&N), but what does get through is soooo small that it shouldn't cause any issues.

morgrp

4,128 posts

199 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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Can't comment on greens but having rebuilt heads on cars that have used k&n they pit the exhaust valves quite badly thanks to letting all manor of crap through namely grit that then super heats and pits the valve seat - do they increase performance? Yes - but you may as well run with no filter - in the long term you'll see decreases in performance over a period of time

RicksAlfas

13,408 posts

245 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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If you've cleaned and re-oiled a K&N, the oil can cause problems on air flow meters so go sparingly.
Don't know if Green ones need oiling or not?

Codswallop

5,250 posts

195 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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Heatsoak.

On an open cone filter without any shielding (which appears to be the most commonly sold type), the engine just ends up sucking in warm less dense air from the engine bay and you may loose power. On K&N filters (and certain other brands) that are oiled, this oil can coat the MAF sensor (if your car has one) and cause it to mis-read. This can be cleaned sometimes, or worst case, you'll need a new MAF.

Filtering ability should be fine, and they tend to be less restricitve than a standard setup, but unless you get a good cold air feed, all it will really do if make more noise (though induction noise is lovely, so may be worth it to you).

Froomee

1,424 posts

170 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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I have used K&N/pipercross filters on most of my cars and bikes since driving.

For the RGV250 and RS250 the norm is to replace the standard filter with a pipercross item. For my current car (Focus ST Mountune) the filter supplied by mountune is a K&N item, K&N induction kits are also a common fixture on fiesta ST's.

My Speed Triple and Focus have a K&N and my GSXR 750 and RS250 have pipercross filters.

Some cars can suffer from heat soak if an induction kit is used and the filter is situated in the wrong place or does not have enough air getting to it. Generally them need cleaning more often than standard filters but as a filter clogs up it will actually filter better smile

SVS

Original Poster:

3,824 posts

272 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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morgrp said:
... letting all manor of crap through namely grit that then super heats and pits the valve seat ...
OK, that's reinforced what two mechanics have told me. It's a No from me for K&N then.

HellDiver

5,708 posts

183 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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I used to use K&N panel filters in the OE airboxes. Until I saw the crap in the inlet tract that the K&N had let through.

Now I just change the normal OE paper filter annually.

morgrp

4,128 posts

199 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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SVS said:
OK, that's reinforced what two mechanics have told me. It's a No from me for K&N then.
I guess it's personal choice - I'm sure many will diagree with me but I personally can't recommend them based on what I have seen - some other people in the trade have said the foam type are better but I haven't looked at the valves of an engine that has run one so can't comment - As mentioned by others heat soak is also an issue

Efbe

9,251 posts

167 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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SVS said:
Hi everyone,

I often see performance air filters advertised, such as K&N and Green. Is there a downside to them in the car?

On the bike, I've heard two mechanics advise against using them. The advice was that whilst they let in more air, but didn't filter as well as an OE filter. Any thoughts?
A huge issue is the stickers you get given with the pads.

Should you happen to put them onto your car, you will medically catch "chavitis". it's an age old issue since the addition of striped carrots back in the horse years

C2james

4,685 posts

166 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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When I had my green panel filter in my C2 it was very good and there was nothing wrong with it except you had to clean it every few months/ few thousand miles.

Moley RUFC

3,618 posts

190 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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The only issue I would see is are you able to react to the speed these things give your car?

Flying machine

1,132 posts

177 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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I seem to remember that the prodrive performance pack for scoobies didnt include a 'performance' filter and the place I took mine seemed to think they were mainly for noise rather than performance. Similar views regarding these sorts of filters for NA 911's

Vixpy1

42,625 posts

265 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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I dislike the K&N's, I've prob seen 100 cars fitted with them with buggered MAF's.

However, In alot of cases they have been reoiled by the owners and over oiled which would explain it.

5paul5

664 posts

172 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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What about aftermarket panel filters, do these have the same adverse effect ?

ejenner

4,097 posts

182 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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I've seen a bench-test article a few years back where they compared various filters. The OEM paper air-filter performed better than the modified air-filters. The foam filter was in the middle. If a paper filter is dirty then it won't flow that well. But they only cost a few £££ to change and a very small amount of time. So I'm never going to buy a modified air-filter because the OEM one is better.

Just keep them clean.