T350c Red Rose Lightweight
Discussion
The T350c I own is my second one. The first, which I had from new was from dealer stock and pretty much standard. Very nice 3.6 litre.
My current one is a 2003 4.0 litre and the original documentation has it as a RR (Red Rose) Lightweight. I understand that RR means the larger engine and I believe brakes. What is the lightweight element? The body, the flywheel?
I would be interested to know as I understand that not many were built.
My current one is a 2003 4.0 litre and the original documentation has it as a RR (Red Rose) Lightweight. I understand that RR means the larger engine and I believe brakes. What is the lightweight element? The body, the flywheel?
I would be interested to know as I understand that not many were built.
I have a T350 Red Rose with the bigger engine, brakes, CR gearbox, etc... but it isn't a lightweight :-( I never even heard of a lightweight T350C imo (I only know the Cerbera's) and what I understood from them is that the actual car is lighter by using parts that weigh less (but are not enigne related) like certain parts of the interior.
What is the actual weight of your car?
I want to compare to see if I can put mine on a diet....
T.
What is the actual weight of your car?
I want to compare to see if I can put mine on a diet....
T.
Well, this should be a rare car then. The lightweight part refers to the body. This is an extract from evo´s buying guide:
For regular trackday drivers or those who simply felt the standard T350 wasn’t quite hardcore enough, there was also the option of a ‘Red Rose’ version. Around 30 of these were made, each costing in the region of £50,000 new – about the same as a Sagaris. Red Rose cars came with a blueprinted and uprated engine and a big-bore exhaust, enabling them to develop either 375bhp or 400bhp depending on tune. In addition to this, the suspension was more aggressive and fully adjustable, there were a number of gearbox ratio and diff options, and the 18-inch wheels came as standard – they had to be there to accommodate the massive AP brakes. There was even a lightweight vinylester body option. If you’re looking for a Red Rose be careful, though. There have been a number of aftermarket companies offering ‘Red Rose engine upgrades’, but, obviously, the factory cars are the ones to go for.
All the best,
enjoy,
Björn.
For regular trackday drivers or those who simply felt the standard T350 wasn’t quite hardcore enough, there was also the option of a ‘Red Rose’ version. Around 30 of these were made, each costing in the region of £50,000 new – about the same as a Sagaris. Red Rose cars came with a blueprinted and uprated engine and a big-bore exhaust, enabling them to develop either 375bhp or 400bhp depending on tune. In addition to this, the suspension was more aggressive and fully adjustable, there were a number of gearbox ratio and diff options, and the 18-inch wheels came as standard – they had to be there to accommodate the massive AP brakes. There was even a lightweight vinylester body option. If you’re looking for a Red Rose be careful, though. There have been a number of aftermarket companies offering ‘Red Rose engine upgrades’, but, obviously, the factory cars are the ones to go for.
All the best,
enjoy,
Björn.
Hi,
The red rose T350s started off having higher spec, more powerful 3.6L 'red rose' engines. According to Jason at Str8six, the time to build these engines was too great so 4.0L engines were used instead. Some vehicles are registered as 3.6L red rose when they in fact have a 4.0L engine.
The lightweight body is vinylester, which saves around 40 kilos over standard.
I am lucky enough to have one of these rare cars!
I am far from an expert, and welcome others' additions and/or corrections.
The red rose T350s started off having higher spec, more powerful 3.6L 'red rose' engines. According to Jason at Str8six, the time to build these engines was too great so 4.0L engines were used instead. Some vehicles are registered as 3.6L red rose when they in fact have a 4.0L engine.
The lightweight body is vinylester, which saves around 40 kilos over standard.
I am lucky enough to have one of these rare cars!
I am far from an expert, and welcome others' additions and/or corrections.
Edited by steveT350C on Wednesday 9th November 14:57
steveT350C said:
Hi,
The red rose T350s started off having higher spec, more powerful 3.6L 'red rose' engines. According to Jason at Str8six, the time to build these engines was too great so 4.0L engines were used instead. Some vehicles are registered as 3.6L red rose when they in fact have a 4.0L engine.
The lightweight body is vinylester, which saves around 40 kilos over standard.
I am lucky enough to have one of these rare cars!
I am far from an expert, and welcome others' additions and/or corrections.
This thread covered the subject quite well:The red rose T350s started off having higher spec, more powerful 3.6L 'red rose' engines. According to Jason at Str8six, the time to build these engines was too great so 4.0L engines were used instead. Some vehicles are registered as 3.6L red rose when they in fact have a 4.0L engine.
The lightweight body is vinylester, which saves around 40 kilos over standard.
I am lucky enough to have one of these rare cars!
I am far from an expert, and welcome others' additions and/or corrections.
Edited by steveT350C on Wednesday 9th November 14:57
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... between T350 Red Rose and 'normal' T350
PipeNslippers said:
steveT350C said:
Hi,
The red rose T350s started off having higher spec, more powerful 3.6L 'red rose' engines. According to Jason at Str8six, the time to build these engines was too great so 4.0L engines were used instead. Some vehicles are registered as 3.6L red rose when they in fact have a 4.0L engine.
The lightweight body is vinylester, which saves around 40 kilos over standard.
I am lucky enough to have one of these rare cars!
I am far from an expert, and welcome others' additions and/or corrections.
This thread covered the subject quite well:The red rose T350s started off having higher spec, more powerful 3.6L 'red rose' engines. According to Jason at Str8six, the time to build these engines was too great so 4.0L engines were used instead. Some vehicles are registered as 3.6L red rose when they in fact have a 4.0L engine.
The lightweight body is vinylester, which saves around 40 kilos over standard.
I am lucky enough to have one of these rare cars!
I am far from an expert, and welcome others' additions and/or corrections.
Edited by steveT350C on Wednesday 9th November 14:57
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... between T350 Red Rose and 'normal' T350
PipeNslippers said:
steveT350C said:
I hope I never have to get a quote
Does anybody have any pictures of the Vinylester weave which can apparently be seen on the inside of the bonnet for a comparison with a standard fibreglass weave?Edited by steveT350C on Wednesday 9th November 18:32
Thanks for all the replies. Very informative.
My Red Rose is definitely Lightweight and has the 4.0L engine, although neither the DVLA nor my insurer can find the exact model in their listings. It comes up as either a Tuscan 4.0L or a T350c 3.6L Red Rose.
The only variation to the spec given here is the Hydratrac diff, but then why should all the cars be the same!
My Red Rose is definitely Lightweight and has the 4.0L engine, although neither the DVLA nor my insurer can find the exact model in their listings. It comes up as either a Tuscan 4.0L or a T350c 3.6L Red Rose.
The only variation to the spec given here is the Hydratrac diff, but then why should all the cars be the same!
NailedOn said:
Thanks for all the replies. Very informative.
My Red Rose is definitely Lightweight and has the 4.0L engine, although neither the DVLA nor my insurer can find the exact model in their listings. It comes up as either a Tuscan 4.0L or a T350c 3.6L Red Rose.
The only variation to the spec given here is the Hydratrac diff, but then why should all the cars be the same!
It's probably 'just' a T350c then. Lightweight wasn't a model, simply an option. As above RR was the 3.6 tuned up to 375 bhp. Nothing can be determined from the 4l engine - some T350c cars had them and some RR cars had them; very few though.My Red Rose is definitely Lightweight and has the 4.0L engine, although neither the DVLA nor my insurer can find the exact model in their listings. It comes up as either a Tuscan 4.0L or a T350c 3.6L Red Rose.
The only variation to the spec given here is the Hydratrac diff, but then why should all the cars be the same!
As an aside the weave is like a small tartan, is off the shelf and very commonly used by the boat building industry. Repairs are just as easy as ordinary fibreglass but you do end up with a slight thickening at the joint, if done properly; should be no cost increase over a standard repair.
vinylester refers to the resin not the fibreglass reinforcement which is a higher quality and stronger generally than polyester . It is also more expensive so that could well be a factor in the price of a repair . When repairing or joining these panels most repairers would probably use polyester resin and are unlikely to use the same format of fibreglass due to ease of use.
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