Worst car ever made and sold in the UK?

Worst car ever made and sold in the UK?

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Welshbeef

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41,401 posts

155 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2011
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For me a nomination is the Austin Allegro.

Can anyone better that?

Futuramic

1,763 posts

162 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2011
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P38 Range Rover?

Great when working but porous engine blocks and electronic hell contributed to an early grave and plummeting second hand prices.

The Allegro was just a cheap family car that rusted a bit. Like everything else back then.

S1_RS

778 posts

156 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2011
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The Allegro was a better car than the Maestro, that was a crap car.

mike9009

4,748 posts

200 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2011
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From personal experience the quirks of my dads allegro sportwagon ( sorry estate), three door estate, brown vinyl seats, constant breaking down, rust within three years, scrapped after owning from new after eight years gave it some character.

The Maestro that followed was bland, boring AND unreliable.

So the Maestro gets my vote.

Sure plenty others will disagree....

Mike

Edit : beaten to it!

jamiebae

6,245 posts

168 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2011
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Like shooting fish in a barrel this one....

May I present the Morris Ital. A lazy facelift of an already rubbish car, badly put together by people who couldn't care less about their job.

There's loads of other stuff from the 50s which is objectively terrible but quite entertaining today, normally powered by a 2 stroke bike engine but I don't think they are officially 'cars' so don't really count.

Willy Nilly

12,205 posts

124 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2011
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Welshbeef said:
For me a nomination is the Austin Allegro.

Can anyone better that?
was the Allegro much worse than what was on sale at the time?

The MKIV Escort gets loads of stick, but they sold plenty of them

saxxeblt

87 posts

163 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2011
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Bit pointless unless you've experience to recount regarding your choice or can we randomly pick a car we don't like and go with that?
S

Welshbeef

Original Poster:

41,401 posts

155 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2011
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S1_RS said:
The Allegro was a better car than the Maestro, that was a crap car.
Well I had a Maestro 1.6L in like a skin colour with brown interior.... It was a carb not injection.

Rust was diabolical
Dash fell apart which I Vosges back together with wedges and glue...
Seat foam collapsed
Radio speakers stopped working.

I rebuilt that car mechanically totally stripped engine braking and cooling system and the engine was a gem never once broke down I simply stripped it as a learning exercise with my old man.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

203 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2011
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For instance - the Talbot Horizon.

This from Wikipedia, "The collapse of Chrysler Europe in 1978 and its subsequent sale to Peugeot meant that the car was hurriedly rebadged using the exhumed Talbot brand for the remainder of its life. From 1980 production expanded to the former Chrysler Europe Ryton plant, near Coventry in England.

In 1981, Series II models were introduced, with some minor improvements. By then however, the Horizon was becoming increasingly uncompetitive next to rivals such as the Volkswagen Golf, Opel Kadett/Vauxhall Astra and the third generation Ford Escort. The rattly and unrefined ohv engines which had been carried over from the Simca 1100 were largely to blame, while body corrosion was a serious issue, at least until Series II, giving many cars a short service life.

Due to corrosion problems there are few left, Horizon is now a rare sight with possibly less than 200 surviving examples in the UK.

The end of Horizon production in 1987 also marked the end of the Talbot badge on passenger cars."

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

161 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2011
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The escort Mk6

Take the already quite st escort Mk5 and make it a bit worse in all ways and then model the front on a dead fish

GregMac

247 posts

106 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2011
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You guys ever owned a Maestro? I've got one and it's a blinding little car. A series is peppy and characterful, it's easy to service yourself, does everything you need a small economical car to do. The best thing? you don't have to worry about leaving it in the car park. Everything will rust away if it's abused, just a shame that most people that bought them were old dears that didnt maintain them.

I'm not saying it's sexy, or fast, or in any way desirable - but what makes them the worst car produced in Britain?

Meridius

1,407 posts

109 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2011
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Mazda MX-5

Mr serge

197 posts

139 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2011
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got to be the morris ital

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

24,928 posts

192 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2011
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Meridius said:
Mazda MX-5
Did/do they make them in the UK?

Meridius

1,407 posts

109 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2011
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2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
Did/do they make them in the UK?
Made at the dealership?

U T

32,972 posts

107 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2011
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jamiebae said:
Like shooting fish in a barrel this one....

May I present the Morris Ital. A lazy facelift of an already rubbish car, badly put together by people who couldn't care less about their job.

There's loads of other stuff from the 50s which is objectively terrible but quite entertaining today, normally powered by a 2 stroke bike engine but I don't think they are officially 'cars' so don't really count.
Nope, sorry. You've gone in with Morris Ital, but I'm going to have to raise you with Austin Ambassador. The Morris Ital was indeed a lazy facelift of a rubbish car, the Marina, but the Ambassador was an even lazier facelift of an even worse car, the Princess.

I rest my case for the prosecution.



bamberwell

1,266 posts

119 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2011
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i had both an austin allegro (which truly was ste) and a morris ital..tbh the ital wasn't that bad,just rusty wings really. lovely "a" series engine ...

davepoth

29,395 posts

156 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2011
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Mr serge said:
got to be the morris ital
+1 on this. Naming it the Ital was a bit rude, I think Italdesign nearly sued as they were only involved in a very limited capacity.

what's more shocking is that a lot of the running gear is carried over from the Morris Minor, including the leaf sprung live axle at the back. It was the dullest and most unimaginative car possible, which I think makes it the worst. In comparison, the Allegro, with a brand new (admittedly not great) engine, four wheel independent suspension and "novel" steering wheel at least shows they made a bit of an effort.

Steffan

10,362 posts

185 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2011
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Welshbeef said:
S1_RS said:
The Allegro was a better car than the Maestro, that was a crap car.
Well I had a Maestro 1.6L in like a skin colour with brown interior.... It was a carb not injection.

Rust was diabolical
Dash fell apart which I Vosges back together with wedges and glue...
Seat foam collapsed
Radio speakers stopped working.

I rebuilt that car mechanically totally stripped engine braking and cooling system and the engine was a gem never once broke down I simply stripped it as a learning exercise with my old man.
You are quite right in your praise for the A series engine.

It was without a doubt one of the most durable long lived designs ever produced in the UK. Or indeed anywhere else. 5,500,000 built.

Nearest engine to a Meccano set I have ever rebuilt.

Utterly understressed, magnificently forgiving: I ran one in a Mini once from Aberystwyth to Nottingham with a leaking radiator stopping every ten miles to top up.

Boiled time and gain. Never blew the gasket never caused any problem

Except when I switched it off it overran for a minute because the carbon in the combustion chamber was glowing.

Imagine that in a K series. Bang.

Or a Duratech. Bang. Or a Vauxhall Red Top Bang!

But sadly as cars the inadequate build quality and poor design ruined BMH etc

The Marina was an unsafe indeed a dangerous car on release.

The handling was appalling before urgent suspension changes were made post test driving by journalists. That car should never have been made.

The worst I think.




jamiebae

6,245 posts

168 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2011
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U T said:
Nope, sorry. You've gone in with Morris Ital, but I'm going to have to raise you with Austin Ambassador. The Morris Ital was indeed a lazy facelift of a rubbish car, the Marina, but the Ambassador was an even lazier facelift of an even worse car, the Princess.

I rest my case for the prosecution.

Objection your honour. The Ambassador was at least on a par with the competition in terms of technology, the Ital was at least 15 years behind the times. It was RWD with a live axle, badly packaged, fitted with engines which would have been dismissed by Noah as a bit past it, and suspension from some kind of Albanian's donkey cart. In spite of this tried, tested and thoroughly de-bugged 'technology' it still managed to be hopelessly unreliable.

The Ambassador could also almost be called 'stylish', something which could never be said about the terminally dreary Ital.