PH Carpool: Porsche 911 Carrera RS (964)
You'll be jealous enough at the car but wait until you hear what he paid for it...
Joe911
Car:
Porsche 964 RS Lightweight 1992
Owned since:
February 1997
Previously owned:
TVR Griffith (4.0 and 500), Porsche 3.2 Carrera
First of many 'ring visits came in first week
I turned to Porsche after the unpredictability of TVR ownership became untenable. Then my 3.2 Carrera was written off in Italy following the discovery of a significant gap between my ego and my ability. I had admired a friend's RS and wanted one (more than life itself) but RHD cars were £42K and well out of my price range.
Then I discovered LHD cars were, in those days, unwanted and it was possible to get a LHD RS for vaguely sensible money. I found a German import being advertised in the Sunday Times and snapped it up - 20,000km and immaculate at £29K. Within a week of ownership I went to Switzerland and on the way back she led me to a small village in the Eifel, which would become virtually a second home.
What I wish I'd known:
I wish I'd known what values would do - I would have got a second mortgage and bought several of them!
The RS spends plenty of time where it belongs
The engine is really free-revving and smooth, making blipped downshifts rewarding. It is without the outright power of the modern equivalents but still incredibly usable and holds its own in most company. The gearing is just perfect and the sound inspiring, though now muted somewhat to make UK track days possible. The UK RHD cars mostly have power steering, though the German cars like mine mostly were without (but the long range fuel tank is generally fitted). The steering is heavy at low speeds, but this improves when properly on the move and for me feels perfectly weighted, giving you just the feedback you need. It takes some physical effort to drive fast - after a few laps you really know you've been working hard with no air con!
And he complains about the tyre wear...
Filling up that big fuel tank is not a pleasure - 92 litres of super at £1.50, yikes! Driving through London (to get to a track of course - why else use the public road?) is a chore; the potholes and speed humps are not kind to RS suspension. On a road trip to France my wife asked me to pull over at the side of the road so she could change to a sports bra.
The 964 RS had a reputation for being almost unusable on UK roads. That is not entirely undeserved, the standard dampers at the front do not respond well to bumps and under braking this can confuse the ABS. It can give you a fright. After only eight months I had the accepted RS suspension change to 993 RS front shocks - which was a big improvement. In 2005 Manthey Racing fitted their full KW suspension and it did transform the car - just as firm, but more responsive and considerably more stable in bumpy braking zones.
In 2007 I changed to 18-inch wheels (an expensive process as it's much more than just a wheel change) with a completely revised and track-focused geometry (I have those lovely 17-inch magnesium wheels refurbished and stored in bubble wrap) and while the ride comfort is further compromised, the track handling is massively improved.
Original mag wheels safely in storage
Servicing is not cheap - nor is engine, gearbox and diff work - but the costs that niggle me are for tyres. Too expensive and too often! The aggressive geometry on 18-inch wheels (285s at the back) means a set doesn't last long on track.
Where I've been:
Housed in London for the first couple of years and then SORNed for a while to make time and money for children. Back on the road and after innumerable trips to that small village in the Eifel, I re-registered her on German plates, with German insurance, and left her at Manthey Racing in Nurburg for many years, heading out there too many times a year for a fix. Nationality is a little vague at the moment - on German plates/insurance though sometimes in the UK and sometimes Nurburg.
Leading out Hans Stuck in the 'ring taxi - really!
Over the 14 years of ownership there have been a series of upgrades - suspension, some mild engine work, cage, increase from 17- to 18-inch wheels - and with each change the RS has improved and provided further years of challenge. I've thought about getting a GT3 of some kind, and I'm sure I'd be travelling faster, but I don't think I'd be having more fun. I'm just starting to get the hang of driving competently - I can't sell her now!
I'm thinking I should buy a 996 GT3 because I can't see them getting much cheaper.I've no interest in track hardware like this but I do love how the 964, which was garish and crude in it's day, now looks so nicely classic and focussed.
I saw a Turbo Cab in lurid Purple a few months ago - burbling along - and it just looked fantastic. WAY more interesting than anythign Porsche have made since...
On my 'wish list' if I ever win the euromillions, together with a Ferrari F40, a Porsche 911 2.7 carrera and all the road-going versions of the Grp B rally cars; that shows how high it is in my estimation.
Like another response on this topic, I recently looked at a 996 GT3 (at a well-known specialist) and whilst Im sure they will apreciate, and are probably a better car than the 964RS, I know that I would never be satisfied if I pulled alongside a 964.
A true great, unaorned by much electronic frippery; the best 911 in my eyes.
Fantastic cars. I paid £23K for a Midnight Blue one in 2002.
I subsequently bought a perfect Guards Red example for £29K in 2003. Foolishly, in 2004, I sold that car too (to a friend for what I'd paid for it) it's now valued at close to £70K . . . .
B*gger !
Fantastic cars. I paid £23K for a Midnight Blue one in 2002.
I subsequently bought a perfect Guards Red example for £29K in 2003. Foolishly, in 2004, I sold that car too (to a friend for what I'd paid for it) it's now valued at close to £70K . . . .
B*gger !
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