how long do car companies make replacement parts
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I was just wondering something, I was in Peugeot today to get a clip for the handbrake cable. I've had my 106 for nearly 6 years now and its a good little car. I have no plans to get rid of it (ever). But its nearly been 10 years since peugeot stopped making the 106, how long could I expect to get new spare parts. How to the people on here with older / classic cars get on with finding parts as the car gets older / rarer.
dibbers006 said:
I think the 'law' is that they provide for ten years.
I don't think it's law but there is a Code of Practice and 10 years isn't unusual for popular models. At least for mechanical parts. Interior trim often goes out of availability first. What the Code says is, "We will ensure that spare parts are available from the time a new model is launched, throughout its production and for a reasonable period thereafter."
http://www.motorcodes.co.uk/images/stories/documen...
Mind you, if the manufacturer goes bust you can whistle for it.
Noesph said:
I was just wondering something, I was in Peugeot today to get a clip for the handbrake cable. I've had my 106 for nearly 6 years now and its a good little car. I have no plans to get rid of it (ever). But its nearly been 10 years since peugeot stopped making the 106, how long could I expect to get new spare parts. How to the people on here with older / classic cars get on with finding parts as the car gets older / rarer.
I was told by Peugeot that from the end of production, they had provision for 10 years of spare parts for the 106. It's likely that some parts are used on other cars so will be available for longer.Judging from the rust on mine, 10 years is plenty
Around ten years is the usual thing, but as people have said it's by no means something manufacturers must do.
It's kind of irrelevant if you ask me: once you get to ten years old, you'd probably be using high-quality pattern parts for most things anyway, and if it's particularly exotic then originals can almost always be sourced from somewhere. Not something I'd ever worry about.
It's kind of irrelevant if you ask me: once you get to ten years old, you'd probably be using high-quality pattern parts for most things anyway, and if it's particularly exotic then originals can almost always be sourced from somewhere. Not something I'd ever worry about.
Mk1 FRS has a few bits that went NFP back in late '08/early '09, so only 4 odd years since the last one was made in '04. Although i guess their reasoning was that the Mk1 FRS was part of the Mk1/1.5 focus range, which had already been in production for 10 odd years when it was facelifted to the Mk2 in '05, so technically they had done their "10 year" provision already based on the model shape rather than the actual model variant.
I've always been pretty happy with Peugeot though as i've still been able to get quite a few bits for my 205 GTI so they've kept going past the 10 year threshold. Although that said i have noticed that within the last 18 months some parts are now finally going NFP with them, but again not bad support considering how long ago the 205 GTI came out of production.
I've always been pretty happy with Peugeot though as i've still been able to get quite a few bits for my 205 GTI so they've kept going past the 10 year threshold. Although that said i have noticed that within the last 18 months some parts are now finally going NFP with them, but again not bad support considering how long ago the 205 GTI came out of production.
Edited by AlexRS2782 on Friday 10th August 11:59
An old thread, but someone, somewhere might need to know this, and find this on google. As the 106 and saxo's are still pretty popular cars.
I looked into this (I am on 106 owners), and Peugeot have started to cull certain spare parts for the 106 (or as PSA calls it nfp - no further production, so when the parts sitting in storage are gone, there gone for good).
This is a pretty general list, and I haven't gone into any specific engine or model. Presumably the same parts on the saxo are also affected.
NFP- No Further Production
Engine and drivetrain
ENGINE RADIATOR.
MOTOR-DRIVEN FAN HARNESS (The casing the radiator fan fits into).
FUEL PIPE BRACKET (on the manifold).
EXHAUST SYSTEM HEAT SHIELD (the one near / around the cat manifold).
CLUTCH PEDAL.
CLUTCH PEDAL SPACER (Should be easy to make one though).
CLUTCH PEDAL BUFFER.
NEW GEARBOX (CE37 CC78 CE51 CE81).
Some of the pins used in the gearbox selector forks (inside the gearbox).
All driveshaft's.
3 stud steel wheels.
FRONT SWIVEL PIN (this is the hub carrier / strut).
SHOCK-ABSORBER FIXING SCREW (on the rear shocks, the bolts at each end that hold it in place).
NEW FRONT BRAKE CALIPER (both sides).
BRAKE CALIPER FIXING SCREW (to go with the brake caliper you can't get).
The back plate on rear drum brakes (i.e the bit everything else fits on to - both sides).
Body
It seems some (maybe all special edition) decal and badges have been culled (The model ones i.e indys and quiksilver badges that go on the doors).
CONNECTOR BRACKET (by the drawing it looks like it's something to with either the side indicators, or the charcoal canister, it's in between the front wing and inner wing).
TUNNEL CENTRAL STIFFENER (the plate around the handbrake on the transmission tunnel).
REAR FLOOR (ah, not so good).
FLOOR SHORT SIDEMEMBER (the box section parts under the boot floor, both sides discontinued).
REAR WING INNER FRAME (the rear inside side body panel (the bit you look at when you're sitting on the back seat - from the front doors to the boot).
TAILGATE POST PLUG (I think this is the metal plate underneath the rear lights).
The bracket that holds on the spare wheel cage.
The rear window latch covers.
The rubber gasket that goes between the boot lock and tailgate.
The grab handles on the ceiling.
The body shell.
Equipment
CARD READER (some type of interior light fitting, above the rear view mirror).
The hog rings the hold the dashboard surround on (the big bit of plastic that goes around the dials, radio, heater controls, buttons and down to the ash tray).
The seats and seat covers, but the parts to recondition them (new foam padding, frames etc) are still being made. But if you rip the cover your buggered.
The front seat belt guides. (the bits of plastic on the A pillar that like rattling).
The spacer behind the 'A' shaped bracket the seat belt goes through on the A pillar.
The rear seat middle lap belt (the whole assembly, safety I guess, you never see them on modern cars).
The shafts on the backboard.
INSULATION KIT (for the carpets).
SOUND PROOFING (the bit around the rear wheels).
PIPE RUNNING RING (pipes running to the heater matrix).
HEATER FLAP CONTROL CABLE.
HEATER HOUSING (the big plastic box behind the dashboard that the heater lives in).
Electric
The fuse box and relay box brackets (all of them - warning as they count the board which the fuses and relays sit in behind the glovebox as a bracket).
A lot of the Starter motors and spare parts (bushes etc) have been nfp.
ALTERNATORS (well, mixed bag, you can't get the original bosch unit anymore or its spares, but you can get a new valeo alternator and spares).
The positive battery terminal.
ENGINE ELECTRIC HARNESS (the engine wiring loom).
Airbag wiring.
The rubber covers that protect the wiring on the tailgate (at the top of the tailgate, on either side).
I looked into this (I am on 106 owners), and Peugeot have started to cull certain spare parts for the 106 (or as PSA calls it nfp - no further production, so when the parts sitting in storage are gone, there gone for good).
This is a pretty general list, and I haven't gone into any specific engine or model. Presumably the same parts on the saxo are also affected.
NFP- No Further Production
Engine and drivetrain
ENGINE RADIATOR.
MOTOR-DRIVEN FAN HARNESS (The casing the radiator fan fits into).
FUEL PIPE BRACKET (on the manifold).
EXHAUST SYSTEM HEAT SHIELD (the one near / around the cat manifold).
CLUTCH PEDAL.
CLUTCH PEDAL SPACER (Should be easy to make one though).
CLUTCH PEDAL BUFFER.
NEW GEARBOX (CE37 CC78 CE51 CE81).
Some of the pins used in the gearbox selector forks (inside the gearbox).
All driveshaft's.
3 stud steel wheels.
FRONT SWIVEL PIN (this is the hub carrier / strut).
SHOCK-ABSORBER FIXING SCREW (on the rear shocks, the bolts at each end that hold it in place).
NEW FRONT BRAKE CALIPER (both sides).
BRAKE CALIPER FIXING SCREW (to go with the brake caliper you can't get).
The back plate on rear drum brakes (i.e the bit everything else fits on to - both sides).
Body
It seems some (maybe all special edition) decal and badges have been culled (The model ones i.e indys and quiksilver badges that go on the doors).
CONNECTOR BRACKET (by the drawing it looks like it's something to with either the side indicators, or the charcoal canister, it's in between the front wing and inner wing).
TUNNEL CENTRAL STIFFENER (the plate around the handbrake on the transmission tunnel).
REAR FLOOR (ah, not so good).
FLOOR SHORT SIDEMEMBER (the box section parts under the boot floor, both sides discontinued).
REAR WING INNER FRAME (the rear inside side body panel (the bit you look at when you're sitting on the back seat - from the front doors to the boot).
TAILGATE POST PLUG (I think this is the metal plate underneath the rear lights).
The bracket that holds on the spare wheel cage.
The rear window latch covers.
The rubber gasket that goes between the boot lock and tailgate.
The grab handles on the ceiling.
The body shell.
Equipment
CARD READER (some type of interior light fitting, above the rear view mirror).
The hog rings the hold the dashboard surround on (the big bit of plastic that goes around the dials, radio, heater controls, buttons and down to the ash tray).
The seats and seat covers, but the parts to recondition them (new foam padding, frames etc) are still being made. But if you rip the cover your buggered.
The front seat belt guides. (the bits of plastic on the A pillar that like rattling).
The spacer behind the 'A' shaped bracket the seat belt goes through on the A pillar.
The rear seat middle lap belt (the whole assembly, safety I guess, you never see them on modern cars).
The shafts on the backboard.
INSULATION KIT (for the carpets).
SOUND PROOFING (the bit around the rear wheels).
PIPE RUNNING RING (pipes running to the heater matrix).
HEATER FLAP CONTROL CABLE.
HEATER HOUSING (the big plastic box behind the dashboard that the heater lives in).
Electric
The fuse box and relay box brackets (all of them - warning as they count the board which the fuses and relays sit in behind the glovebox as a bracket).
A lot of the Starter motors and spare parts (bushes etc) have been nfp.
ALTERNATORS (well, mixed bag, you can't get the original bosch unit anymore or its spares, but you can get a new valeo alternator and spares).
The positive battery terminal.
ENGINE ELECTRIC HARNESS (the engine wiring loom).
Airbag wiring.
The rubber covers that protect the wiring on the tailgate (at the top of the tailgate, on either side).
A car company needs to provide a 'servicing solution' for 10 years after a car was made. For example - they might provide complete remanufactured engines, gearboxes, electronics modules and then limit the rest of the parts to those they think will be required for maintenance & to repair crashed cars.
Warehousing parts is extremely expensive so for most people the above is in their interests - it keeps the costs of vehicles and spares down.
Warehousing parts is extremely expensive so for most people the above is in their interests - it keeps the costs of vehicles and spares down.
As for some of ye olde classikes, back in the 1970s, Unipart over produced spares like crazy. My dad worked at Unipart for a while, and saw warehouses piled high with assorted spares. You can still obtain these in their original boxes.
Also, small local motor factors often have whacky collections of old bits, and are often worth asking.
Coverage varies, naturally, from old car to old car. One of my heaps was grounded for months by missing one small but vital component of the clutch pedal.
Also, small local motor factors often have whacky collections of old bits, and are often worth asking.
Coverage varies, naturally, from old car to old car. One of my heaps was grounded for months by missing one small but vital component of the clutch pedal.
Slow said:
Isnt there a full rebuild thread of a m5 (old one fyi) or something where the guy went to bmw and got loads of parts, even a bonnet (for a stupid price).
I can still get dealer parts for my E30 M3. Only a few are NLA. I know its an old thread but I do actually think no matter what the car is you don't really need the dealers anyway. Most car parts can be found elsewhere.
Crossflow Kid said:
Apparently there are crate loads of Supermarine Spitfire spares, all crated and ready to go, in Burma.
Or something.
No, there aren't. Some complete Spitfires were buried in crates in Burma, so as to avoid their capture by advancing Japanese forces as British/Indian forces retreated from the area. They are being dug up at the moment, but are unlikely to be in good condition, as the ground there is damp. Or something.
there's also the stuff where older models remain in production elsewhere n the world e.g. various vehicles still built in S america ( e.g. bay window VW van )/ africa ( mk 1 golfs ) / china ( early pisshats, various Pugs, the body of the Monstro hatch / van) or under a different badge ( e.g. the previous generation audi A4 sold as a Seat)
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