Recieved a parking fine whilst delivering on double yellows.

[mattuk89]

Hi, i recieved a parking fine whilst delivering to a hotel today, whist at work, in the work van.

The van is unmarked which wouldn't of helped the case, as the other vans are marked all over with the company logo, I dropped the stuff off, and then helped the hotel owner take the goods down the stairs which i dont usually do, and waited to get payment from him, so all in all i was proberly in the hotel for about 10 mins whilst the van was outside, the side doors were open, so it was pretty obvious i was unloading, the traffic warden was a massive jobs worth, and wouldn't even listen to me when i explained what i was doing, and just walked off. I have parked there numerous times, and delt with a few traffic wardens who have been fine.

I usually double park on the road if there is alot of stuff to carry, which can cause more of a pain, especially when buses come down, but there is always people double parked, as there is alot of hotels down this road, and nowhere to unload at all.

I cant appeal until tomorow, but was just wondering whats the legality of this, told the boss at work, and he said the company wont pay it, and i really dont want to be forking out for it, especially as i have been doing this delivery at least once a week for 2 years!

What would you say is the best corse of action, would they actually be fair if i appealed to it, or just say no, should i just pay it, or just ignore it and hope it goes away, as the van is rented anyway it will take along time to get back to me from work.


Here is a picture , i either park where "A" is, i got the ticket at "B" not blocking anyones drive or anything like that.





Thanks.

[anonymous-user]

mattuk89 said:

i got the ticket at "B" not blocking anyones drive or anything like that.





Thanks.

When you say "anything like that" you mean "anything like near a junction where the road also has a painted central reservation and the word SLOW which my van obscured"?

[oldsoak]

But on d/yellows..= No waiting at any time...unless accompanied by a notice that allows for loading/unloading............and I've looked on G/maps for one...to no avail..sorry

[Dwight VanDriver]

Consider speaking/visiting your Local Authority Traffic Management Dept to
view the relevant No waiting Order for that stretch of road and see what it says about unloading
and whether or ot this is permitted.

Depending on what found this could lead to an appeal against the ticket.

LA may take the view that the CEO did not witness any movement for the time you spent
with the Hotel Management. Case law has dictated this should be straight in and out..job done?

dvd

[mattuk89]

Crossflow Kid said:

When you say "anything like that" you mean "anything like near a junction where the road also has a painted central reservation and the word SLOW which my van obscured"?

The junction is alot further away than it looks on that picture, and i was parked after the slow sign.

[7db]

Unless there's a no loading mark (double kerb lines) then claim your 20 mins and appeal.

Write clearly the circumstances. You were there no longer than necessary for loading and paperwork and loading is usually permitted for upto 20 mins. (Some LAs have more generous rules that I know of).

The fact that you saw the warden and told him you were loading can go in your appeal -- they always let the ticket stand is issued and you have to appeal it. I've won a few of these.

Helps if the registered keeper does the appeal so ask your company nicely if they will...

[7db]

For clarity - double yellows means no waiting/parking - you can load and board passengers
- double kerb lines means no loading - you can board passengers
- double red lines means no stopping - you can't board passengers unless you're special (taxi, blue badge) (see also zigzags)

[mattuk89]

7db said:

Unless there's a no loading mark (double kerb lines) then claim your 20 mins and appeal.

Write clearly the circumstances. You were there no longer than necessary for loading and paperwork and loading is usually permitted for upto 20 mins. (Some LAs have more generous rules that I know of).

The fact that you saw the warden and told him you were loading can go in your appeal -- they always let the ticket stand is issued and you have to appeal it. I've won a few of these.

Helps if the registered keeper does the appeal so ask your company nicely if they will...

Thanks, i was there no longer than 10 mins all together, about 3 mins to unload the stock, and 5-7 inside, the warden said he was there for 5 mins, ill have to wait until tomorow when i can see the " proof pictures " hopefully they will have a time stamp on them, when i came out he was just taking a picture, its funny, because i do usually double park, and block the side of the road off, and this is one of the rare times i thought i would be nice and not to that, and then i end up with a ticket, this is the only place you can park to unload without blocking the road off. There is a very slim chance the reg' keeper will appeal it, as the van is on a business lease, my boss told me i have to appeal it, which is stupid really, as if im forced to pay it, i will refuse to do the delivery again, although i have been doing it for over 2 years trouble free.

[Willy Nilly]

One of our drivers got a ticket while reversing out of someones way. I think that managed to take the photo (little sts in a Smart For2 with a camera in the roof) in the 2 nano seconds he was stopped getting it into reverse.

[Frix]

I though loading/unloading was when the goods had been pre-paid? Will see if I can find the relevant reason for thinking this.

[streaky]

Many companies look on parking fines as a cost of business today ... and pass these along in increased prices.

Streaky

[smartphone hater]

mattuk89 said:

7db said:

Unless there's a no loading mark (double kerb lines) then claim your 20 mins and appeal.

Write clearly the circumstances. You were there no longer than necessary for loading and paperwork and loading is usually permitted for upto 20 mins. (Some LAs have more generous rules that I know of).

The fact that you saw the warden and told him you were loading can go in your appeal -- they always let the ticket stand is issued and you have to appeal it. I've won a few of these.

Helps if the registered keeper does the appeal so ask your company nicely if they will...

Thanks, i was there no longer than 10 mins all together, about 3 mins to unload the stock, and 5-7 inside, the warden said he was there for 5 mins, ill have to wait until tomorow when i can see the " proof pictures " hopefully they will have a time stamp on them, when i came out he was just taking a picture, its funny, because i do usually double park, and block the side of the road off, and this is one of the rare times i thought i would be nice and not to that, and then i end up with a ticket, this is the only place you can park to unload without blocking the road off. There is a very slim chance the reg' keeper will appeal it, as the van is on a business lease, my boss told me i have to appeal it, which is stupid really, as if im forced to pay it, i will refuse to do the delivery again, although i have been doing it for over 2 years trouble free.

Also include with your letter a copy of the proof of delivery (signature & time etc) as the council will probably ask for it anyway.

[jagracer]

OP I think you need to look at the sign further up by the church that has a no parking symbol (blue circle, red border with diagonal red line) with "At any time" written under it. There's probably the same by the bays where you parked.

[mattuk89]

jagracer said:

OP I think you need to look at the sign further up by the church that has a no parking symbol (blue circle, red border with diagonal red line) with "At any time" written under it. There's probably the same by the bays where you parked.

Pretty positive that that sign isnt there anymore, that whole building has been knocked down and changed, and there are no signs where i parked.

As said already, this isnt a one off delivery, ive been here pretty much every week for the last 2+ years, and always parked on the double yellows, or double parked. Numerous wardens and police have passed without a care in the world.

From now on though when i will just double park when i do the hotels down this road, and block the lane off.

[jagracer]

mattuk89 said:

Pretty positive that that sign isnt there anymore, that whole building has been knocked down and changed, and there are no signs where i parked.

Take a look round, there needs to be one within a reasonable distance (not sure what constitutes reasonable) and don't be fobbed off with the old crap that double yellows automatically mean no waiting at all, they have to be accompanied by signs with times on, we have double yellows near me that are only in force 8am to 6pm mon to sat.

[voyds9]

And don't forgot to ask your boss to indicate at which point you park to make the delivers and to include extra unloading time if it further away and perhaps a trolley to help move the goods.

[mattuk89]

voyds9 said:

And don't forgot to ask your boss to indicate at which point you park to make the delivers and to include extra unloading time if it further away and perhaps a trolley to help move the goods.

Already said this to them today when they said i had to pay the fine, there is nowhere to "legally" unload near there at all, boss's reply was we will have to stop delivering there, which wont happen, as the hotel in question and another down the same road spend alot of money with us.

jagracer said:

ake a look round, there needs to be one within a reasonable distance (not sure what constitutes reasonable) and don't be fobbed off with the old crap that double yellows automatically mean no waiting at all, they have to be accompanied by signs with times on, we have double yellows near me that are only in force 8am to 6pm mon to sat.

Its not the fact i was unloading that is the problem i dont think, its more of the fact i wasnt near the van in the 5 mins that the warden was watching it.

[surveyor]

In my view the boss is was out of line. The odd ticket in London while delivering must surely be expected.

[jagracer]

surveyor said:

In my view the boss is was out of line. The odd ticket in London while delivering must surely be expected.

He's in Bournmouth. We do waste collections and if we get situations like this we refuse to do the job until the company either agrees to pay any fines or they make alternative arrangements although I realise not all employees in other companies can stand their ground on this type of situation.

[mattuk89]

surveyor said:

In my view the boss is was out of line. The odd ticket in London while delivering must surely be expected.

Im not from London, but i do agree with you, we had another driver actually park on a "no parking" bit of road to do a delivery, and one of the camera cars caught him, i know that he wouldnt of paid, but im not sure what happened, will find out tomorow, the company i work for is a multi multi million pound company, im sure the fine wont hurt their bank balance.

If i refuse to pay it, the notice says they take proceedings against the registered keeper, (which is a lease company), and let them deal with it.