One for the Main dealers on here

One for the Main dealers on here

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japgt

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348 posts

107 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Ok Guys, following on from the below thread, it has been suggested that i post a thread in General Gassing for the attention of Main dealers, particularly the recruiters of main dealers.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

My question is, if a person applied for a job as a car salesman with your company and had visible tattoos even when wearing a suit, would you consider them for the job or completely discount them from the role?? based on the fact that the job is customer facing and first impressions being so important, i'm of the opinion that that person would not stand a chance, is this the case, or have things moved on sufficiently for a tattooed person to attain a job in the above role as a car sales person??

Thanks in advance

blindswelledrat

25,247 posts

175 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Well this is a disappointing start!!

Out of curiosity, ignoring the visible tattoo- are you otherwise smart in appearance in trousers and a shirt or do you have one of those faces that looks like you want to kill and eat a person?

Motorrad

6,709 posts

130 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Interesting thread. Policy here (large corporate) is that we don't employ people with visible tattoos. These aren't even customer facing roles for the most part.

Given that sales is about results I'll be amazed if 'main dealers' don't employ someone with a proven track record regardless of their inkings.


DocArbathnot

15,589 posts

126 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Why do anything that makes people hate you.

If someone doesn't care about this then why would I employ them.

blindswelledrat

25,247 posts

175 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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DocArbathnot said:
Why do anything that makes people hate you.

If someone doesn't care about this then why would I employ them.
Im sure the OP didn't get them done for the benefit of others.
To turn that around: Why post like a cock?
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DottyMR2

478 posts

70 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Motorrad said:
Interesting thread. Policy here (large corporate) is that we don't employ people with visible tattoos. These aren't even customer facing roles for the most part.

Given that sales is about results I'll be amazed if 'main dealers' don't employ someone with a proven track record regardless of their inkings.
This is an issue I've had for many years with people being discounted because of tattoos. How do they differentiate between it being discrimination to not give a job to a black man because of the colour of his skin, but it not being discrimination to not give the job to someone because they have tattoos. Double standards!

I think it's one and the same, someone is being judged by their appearance even if they are the best for the job. Come on, non customer facing role and you still can't have tats? Could you explain to me the corporate justification for this if you know it? What is the problem with it?

I've never understood business that do it and can't wrap my head round it. I also can't wrap my head round how it isn't illegal to do it.

blindswelledrat

25,247 posts

175 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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DottyMR2 said:
This is an issue I've had for many years with people being discounted because of tattoos. How do they differentiate between it being discrimination to not give a job to a black man because of the colour of his skin, but it not being discrimination to not give the job to someone because they have tattoos. Double standards!

I think it's one and the same, someone is being judged by their appearance even if they are the best for the job. Come on, non customer facing role and you still can't have tats? Could you explain to me the corporate justification for this if you know it? What is the problem with it?

I've never understood business that do it and can't wrap my head round it. I also can't wrap my head round how it isn't illegal to do it.
Me too. When the OP mentioned it in another thread I thought he was living in the past but it seems like maybe not.
Still haven't heard from any Main Dealers though

DottyMR2

478 posts

70 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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DocArbathnot said:
Why do anything that makes people hate you.

If someone doesn't care about this then why would I employ them.
Haha, shouldn't have posted that then because it's made me hate you.

Mind telling me what business you hire for? That way I can make sure to never support them in any way shape or form.

DocArbathnot

15,589 posts

126 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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blindswelledrat said:
DocArbathnot said:
Why do anything that makes people hate you.

If someone doesn't care about this then why would I employ them.
Im sure the OP didn't get them done for the benefit of others.
To turn that around: Why post like a cock?
That's the whole point. (not posting like a cock sorry about that bit)

DocArbathnot

15,589 posts

126 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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DottyMR2 said:
DocArbathnot said:
Why do anything that makes people hate you.

If someone doesn't care about this then why would I employ them.
Haha, shouldn't have posted that then because it's made me hate you.

Mind telling me what business you hire for? That way I can make sure to never support them in any way shape or form.
Sorry does appear cockish, but this is the attitude of some employers and some customers. If it's an attitude from a customer why would I risk it as an employer?


ETA It may depend on the tattoos and where. Hands, neck, face?

Edited by DocArbathnot on Wednesday 8th January 17:17

Justayellowbadge

37,035 posts

185 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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DottyMR2 said:
This is an issue I've had for many years with people being discounted because of tattoos. How do they differentiate between it being discrimination to not give a job to a black man because of the colour of his skin, but it not being discrimination to not give the job to someone because they have tattoos. Double standards!

I think it's one and the same, someone is being judged by their appearance even if they are the best for the job. Come on, non customer facing role and you still can't have tats? Could you explain to me the corporate justification for this if you know it? What is the problem with it?

I've never understood business that do it and can't wrap my head round it. I also can't wrap my head round how it isn't illegal to do it.
Absurd comparison. Beyond idiotic.

The only way one could possibly liken the 2 things would be to say you would be equally unlikely to hire someone with a tattoo as you would someone that turned up to an interview blacked up and singing 'Danny Boy'.



JoshyS

2,667 posts

132 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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DottyMR2 said:
This is an issue I've had for many years with people being discounted because of tattoos. How do they differentiate between it being discrimination to not give a job to a black man because of the colour of his skin, but it not being discrimination to not give the job to someone because they have tattoos. Double standards!
You cannot choose to be black. You can however choose to either have your body permanently scared with ink and furthermore, you can also make the decision that if you want to get ink, you can put it on a piece of your body that can be easily hidden.


blindswelledrat

25,247 posts

175 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Justayellowbadge said:
Absurd comparison. Beyond idiotic.

The only way one could possibly liken the 2 things would be to say you would be equally unlikely to hire someone with a tattoo as you would someone that turned up to an interview blacked up and singing 'Danny Boy'.
biglaugh It's not that bad a comparison, for crying out loud.
THe gist is the same i.e. shouldn't their ability to do the job come before appearance?
Also - there is a jolly good reason not to employ disableds and the blacks but I cant see the same for tattoods.

That bit was all a joke btw.

DocArbathnot

15,589 posts

126 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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On a more positive note, a main dealer will respond better to a track record. Maybe try to get a job at an indie 1st to prove your worth, or a non customer facing position at a main dealer. If everyone likes and trusts you, your life will be easier than relying on 1st impressions at an interview.

Justayellowbadge

37,035 posts

185 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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blindswelledrat said:
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THe gist is the same i.e. shouldn't their ability to do the job come before appearance?
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I'm not sure it would be entirely unreasonable to suspect that someone who, following one too many Bacardi Breezers during a weekend in Skegness, decided it would be just ace to permanently mark themselves with a childlike drawing of Spongebob Squarepants fellating Hong Kong Phooey with the word 'Mum' scrawled underneath might be prone to the odd lapse of judgement.


forzaminardi

1,908 posts

130 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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DottyMR2 said:
This is an issue I've had for many years with people being discounted because of tattoos. How do they differentiate between it being discrimination to not give a job to a black man because of the colour of his skin, but it not being discrimination to not give the job to someone because they have tattoos. Double standards!

I think it's one and the same, someone is being judged by their appearance even if they are the best for the job. Come on, non customer facing role and you still can't have tats? Could you explain to me the corporate justification for this if you know it? What is the problem with it?

I've never understood business that do it and can't wrap my head round it. I also can't wrap my head round how it isn't illegal to do it.
Because one can't choose the colour of one's skin when born, but can choose to make a visual statement about themselves by getting a tattoo is the answer. By the same token, would it be unfair to hire someone who attended an interview for a job demanding a professional approach wearing a suit versus someone who appears on paper to be equally qualified but who attended the interview wearing shorts and flip-flops? Isn't that discriminatory on their style of dressing?

Like it or not, life is discriminatory. We like to think that we have evolved enough to not discriminate in a modern society not on basis of age, or gender, or race where those issues are irrelevant to the task at hand. But inevitably discrimination of one sort or another is inherent to any human's ability to make a decision. Visual appearance is obviously a key way in which we make judgements (i.e. discriminations - rightly or wrongly) about other people. For many people, a tattoo on the neck or face creates a negative impression. Possibly they might be brilliant salespeople, but hey ho, they'll have to work harder to convince an interviewer.

loose cannon

5,401 posts

184 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Try getting a job as a techie in a main dealer if your in the T.A

jimbop1

2,441 posts

147 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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DocArbathnot said:
Why do anything that makes people hate you.

If someone doesn't care about this then why would I employ them.
Why would anyone hate him for having a visible tattoo?!

DocArbathnot

15,589 posts

126 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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jimbop1 said:
DocArbathnot said:
Why do anything that makes people hate you.

If someone doesn't care about this then why would I employ them.
Why would anyone hate him for having a visible tattoo?!
Have you met the general public? (no not just some of them, all of them)

jimbop1

2,441 posts

147 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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DocArbathnot said:
jimbop1 said:
DocArbathnot said:
Why do anything that makes people hate you.

If someone doesn't care about this then why would I employ them.
Why would anyone hate him for having a visible tattoo?!
Have you met the general public? (no not just some of them, all of them)
I can't say I have met them all. They would have to be abit fked up to actually 'hate' someone for having a visible tattoo!