Pre LCI vs Post LCI E92 M3
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Looking at getting into an E92 M3.
I read in a few places that people think that the post facelift cars drive better - e.g. Car Magazine thought their post facelift Competition Pack had much better steering feel than the original launch cars. Not sure how much was down to Competition Pack / tyres / geo or the LCI. Cant find much in the way of definitive forum gossip on this right now however.
Does anyone have any experience?
Also any thoughts on best place in lifecycle to buy right now? Low mile, DCT pre LCI cars that I'd consider start at mid 20's. However, you can get a 2010 in some cases a 2011 for £30k, which whilst a bigger amount almost seems better value on a per yr depreciation basis.
On the other hand, if you're paying £5k to get a better sat nav on the post LCI, maybe its not worth it.
Interested in any thoughts!
I read in a few places that people think that the post facelift cars drive better - e.g. Car Magazine thought their post facelift Competition Pack had much better steering feel than the original launch cars. Not sure how much was down to Competition Pack / tyres / geo or the LCI. Cant find much in the way of definitive forum gossip on this right now however.
Does anyone have any experience?
Also any thoughts on best place in lifecycle to buy right now? Low mile, DCT pre LCI cars that I'd consider start at mid 20's. However, you can get a 2010 in some cases a 2011 for £30k, which whilst a bigger amount almost seems better value on a per yr depreciation basis.
On the other hand, if you're paying £5k to get a better sat nav on the post LCI, maybe its not worth it.
Interested in any thoughts!
I don't know how driving dynamics have changed over the years for a 2007 E92 M3 compared to a 2010 E92 M3. All I'll say is how different could it be with essentially the same technology throughout? I would be dubious if anybody claimed they could feel a difference, motoring journalist or not. The Competition Pack is different as I believe it is 10mm lower than an EDC equipped car so the dynamics will be different.
I have a 2007 E92 M3 and had no intention of carrying out any LCI updates. To be honest, I didn't even know what LCI updates were when I bought the car. I've now carried out a CIC retrofit and LCI rear lights retrofit. I only did them because they were relatively cheap (approx £1300 or so).
I would advise going for a 2009 onwards model as that will have the CIC fit as opposed to the very dated CCC system. Other than that go for whatever spec / budget will allow.
I have a 2007 E92 M3 and had no intention of carrying out any LCI updates. To be honest, I didn't even know what LCI updates were when I bought the car. I've now carried out a CIC retrofit and LCI rear lights retrofit. I only did them because they were relatively cheap (approx £1300 or so).
I would advise going for a 2009 onwards model as that will have the CIC fit as opposed to the very dated CCC system. Other than that go for whatever spec / budget will allow.
Are bigger updates LCW, for life cycle warp?five50 said:
LCI is BMW shorthand for facelift.
But on CIC / CCC I am now a bit lost - tho' I think that you are talking about Sat Nav?
Interested to know more.
Sorry, I thought you may have known the abbreviations.But on CIC / CCC I am now a bit lost - tho' I think that you are talking about Sat Nav?
Interested to know more.
To expand on DoubleSix's post above, the CCC is the older DVD disc based Satnav system. The head unit has two slots, one for your music CD's and a second for your Satnav DVD disc. It also has the older style iDrive controller on the console with a single MENU button.
The CIC system which was introduced about 18mths after launch (I think) is a hard drive based system. It has just one slot purely for music CD's. The Satnav is hard drive based and you can load music onto the hard drive if you choose. It also has a new style iDrive controller with loads of buttons. A common upgrade is to replace CCC with CIC which is what I did. It needs to be coded as well.
The rear lights are replacing the older style filament units with the newer style LED type. Straight swap along with a little bit of coding.
t8cmf said:
Sorry, I thought you may have known the abbreviations.
To expand on DoubleSix's post above, the CCC is the older DVD disc based Satnav system. The head unit has two slots, one for your music CD's and a second for your Satnav DVD disc. It also has the older style iDrive controller on the console with a single MENU button.
The CIC system which was introduced about 18mths after launch (I think) is a hard drive based system. It has just one slot purely for music CD's. The Satnav is hard drive based and you can load music onto the hard drive if you choose. It also has a new style iDrive controller with loads of buttons. A common upgrade is to replace CCC with CIC which is what I did. It needs to be coded as well.
The rear lights are replacing the older style filament units with the newer style LED type. Straight swap along with a little bit of coding.
Is there any threads or write ups on the CCC to CIC swap?To expand on DoubleSix's post above, the CCC is the older DVD disc based Satnav system. The head unit has two slots, one for your music CD's and a second for your Satnav DVD disc. It also has the older style iDrive controller on the console with a single MENU button.
The CIC system which was introduced about 18mths after launch (I think) is a hard drive based system. It has just one slot purely for music CD's. The Satnav is hard drive based and you can load music onto the hard drive if you choose. It also has a new style iDrive controller with loads of buttons. A common upgrade is to replace CCC with CIC which is what I did. It needs to be coded as well.
The rear lights are replacing the older style filament units with the newer style LED type. Straight swap along with a little bit of coding.
looking to upgrade an 07 build E91
ezakimak said:
Is there any threads or write ups on the CCC to CIC swap?
looking to upgrade an 07 build E91
A quick search on Google will get you plenty of info...I've just upgraded my CCC to CIC, a big difference in terms of speed/functionality. looking to upgrade an 07 build E91
I've gone from this...CCC Professional Sat Nav
To this, CIC Professional Sat Nav, I think even with my rubbish phone photo you can tell the difference in screen quality
Apart from CCC / CIC, I think the rest of the LCI (facelift) changes are quite minor/superficial (different lights/bonnet on Non M cars),
but CCC to CIC is definitely a mod worth doing, all in it cost me £720 for the parts (though you could probably source it cheaper), fitted and coded it my self, so a lot less than paying an extra £5K for the difference between a pre LCI to post LCI car
. gangzoom said:
A quick search on Google will get you plenty of info...I've just upgraded my CCC to CIC, a big difference in terms of speed/functionality.
The car I have bought has the CCC business sat nav, so only the 6.5” screen and I drive controller with single button. I’ve seen a few packages on ebay at around the price you mention, and noticed the far higher resolution of the LCI cars when driving adjacent to them on the motorway last night. Sounds like it is an easy mod if your tech savvy. My inner nerd is getting all excited at the thought.
Just have to wait for the car to be delivered now.
The actual install is quite straight forwards:
1: unscrew old screen (undo 2 T10 screws that's it)
2: replace old screen power plug with new one
3: remove old CCC unit (remove trim, than 4 screws, I ve done this quite a few times before to install my Pure 300Di, so it took me about 5 minutes to remove the CCC unit)
4: wire/connect in new screen cable and CIC emulator (the hard bit)
5: refit and code
The coding is also straight forwards..
1: Case of changing production date - so that I could add the CiC to the vechial order
2: Than add CiC to VO -so that the car knows I have a CiC unit rather than CCC unit (didn't have to do this since my car had $609 option already because it came with CCC pro nav).
3: Default code the CiC ECU - so the CiC unit knows what options are on the car, eg: Bluetooth
The hard bit is wiring in the the CIC emulator, This does away with the need to get NAV activation codes from BMW and essentially fools the CIC unit into thinking its still in the original donor car, there's plenty on eBay for £50-70. But to install it you need to cut/spice the original CCC loom, which I didnt want to do. So I made an 'plug and play' loom to enable me to connect the navigation emulator which is needed to fool the CIC unit into thinking the VIN of the car matches the VIN stored in the CIC unit. It cost me £20 for the wiring loom and saved a lot of headache/worry about having to cut/spice the main wiring loom in the car and essentially made my install a 'plug and play' affair.
In total the install took me 2.5 hr including coding....Like you I mainly did it because I'm a geek and love gadgets, considering the Combox install for bluetooth audio/BMW apps but apparently its not really worth it, the streaming audio isn't very good quality, and the Apps aren't very useful.
I didn't change the controller, that requires a whole new central trim piece which is £100-200 by it self, the old CCC controller works fine with CIC. Also should mention clearly mod completely destroys your warranty, and makes it impossible for BMW to update your cars software (will require you to refit CCC unit), though doing things like programming injectors via INPA should still be possible, so cannot see it been a big problem. Cannot see me ever taking my car to a BMW dealer for anything..
1: unscrew old screen (undo 2 T10 screws that's it)
2: replace old screen power plug with new one
3: remove old CCC unit (remove trim, than 4 screws, I ve done this quite a few times before to install my Pure 300Di, so it took me about 5 minutes to remove the CCC unit)
4: wire/connect in new screen cable and CIC emulator (the hard bit)
5: refit and code
The coding is also straight forwards..
1: Case of changing production date - so that I could add the CiC to the vechial order
2: Than add CiC to VO -so that the car knows I have a CiC unit rather than CCC unit (didn't have to do this since my car had $609 option already because it came with CCC pro nav).
3: Default code the CiC ECU - so the CiC unit knows what options are on the car, eg: Bluetooth
The hard bit is wiring in the the CIC emulator, This does away with the need to get NAV activation codes from BMW and essentially fools the CIC unit into thinking its still in the original donor car, there's plenty on eBay for £50-70. But to install it you need to cut/spice the original CCC loom, which I didnt want to do. So I made an 'plug and play' loom to enable me to connect the navigation emulator which is needed to fool the CIC unit into thinking the VIN of the car matches the VIN stored in the CIC unit. It cost me £20 for the wiring loom and saved a lot of headache/worry about having to cut/spice the main wiring loom in the car and essentially made my install a 'plug and play' affair
. In total the install took me 2.5 hr including coding....Like you I mainly did it because I'm a geek and love gadgets, considering the Combox install for bluetooth audio/BMW apps but apparently its not really worth it, the streaming audio isn't very good quality, and the Apps aren't very useful.
I didn't change the controller, that requires a whole new central trim piece which is £100-200 by it self, the old CCC controller works fine with CIC. Also should mention clearly mod completely destroys your warranty, and makes it impossible for BMW to update your cars software (will require you to refit CCC unit), though doing things like programming injectors via INPA should still be possible, so cannot see it been a big problem. Cannot see me ever taking my car to a BMW dealer for anything..
Edited by gangzoom on Thursday 20th February 06:54
Does anyone know how this affects the warranty on the vehicle? I bought a used 2008 model from a dealer that comes with one year warranty, it's been a good deal for me so far as they've taken care of anything wrong with the car no questions asked and to be honest there haven't really been too many issues
If I performed this conversion upgrade would it void my warranty?
If I performed this conversion upgrade would it void my warranty?
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