RE: Lancia Stratos court battle: father wins

RE: Lancia Stratos court battle: father wins

Friday 22nd May 2015

Lancia Stratos court battle: father wins

Court decides cars were loaned not given; son set to appeal decision...



In legal battles between family members it's often said that there are rarely any winners. And while we now know that the heavily publicised father versus son case over the disputed ownership of a Lancia Stratos collection has been decided in favour of the father, it has also put what could be a permanent frost on familial relations.

Worth fighting over!
Worth fighting over!
The case hinged on whether Ernst Hrabalek had loaned or given his four Lancia Stratos to his son, Chris Hrabalek, back in 2000. Ernst Hrabalek claimed that he had merely allowed his son to borrow the cars repeatedly over the last 15 years, while Chris Hrabalek believed the cars had been gifted to him.

Much as we'd like to own four Lancia Stratos, it seems a huge shame that such a dispute was allowed to go all the way to the High Court in London, which yesterday decided in favour of Ernst Hrabalek.

"Court cases are always upsetting, but ten times more so when it involves close family members," said Chris Hrabalek, in a statement issued by his solicitors, Goodman Derrick, "I am very disappointed by the outcome of the trial. This dispute between my father and me has been ongoing for over four years and has spanned three countries. The fact that the outcome was favourable to me in Austria and Germany makes this High Court ruling in England particularly hard."

And it might not be over yet - Chris Hrabalek is seeking permission to appeal the court's decision. Begging the question, from an outsider's perspective, of how much longer it will be before the costs of the legal action get close to the very considerable value of the cars in question...

In the meantime, cheer yourself up a bit by watching this again.



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myhandle

Original Poster:

809 posts

109 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Sounds like a real mess. Very pleased my Dad drives my cars and I drive his with 0% aggro. Some things EG your family are more important than cars, even ones like a Stratos.

Edited by myhandle on Friday 22 May 12:14

j90gta

448 posts

69 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Are the photos of the actual cars in dispute as I thought the collection was much larger? FYI The orange one is a prototype; the green one a Stradale; the one with the wheel on the roof is in Safari Rally spec; and the last one a Group 5 Turbo.

Leins

6,503 posts

83 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Seems like madness to let something escalate to this level over a few old cars

On the other hand, if they'd been 037s... punchshoottank

unsprung

2,509 posts

59 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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And, as part of the settlement, the son must dress only in that luminous green.

Arsecati

88 posts

52 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Sad thing is, they would no doubt have passed on to him at some point in the future anyway, but I guess the will has been changed now. Silly boy, what difference did it make who 'owned' them? You had full use of them to do with as you pleased - unless of course they were going to be put up for sale, and I guess then it was the actual MONEY that was being disputed.
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mightymouse

1,438 posts

163 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Remove all the family in fighting, court costs etc etc aggro







Give them to me please cloud9

Uncle John

1,798 posts

126 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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How sad that a son would take his Dad to court over some (very nice) nuts and bolts that would one day be his anyway. Very sad.

Pat H

7,112 posts

191 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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What an utterly depressing read. I don't know whether to feel pity or anger.



My Dad was a real petrolhead and he and I shared many cars and bikes.

Regrettably, he died at the ripe old age of 63.

I would give anything to spend a couple of hours with him. To tell him how his grand daughters turned out and to have a laugh about all the daft cars and bikes that I have owned during the last 13 years.


alex_gray255

6,024 posts

140 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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They'll probably have to end up selling the collection to cover the lawyers fees anyway...

What a waste...

aeropilot

16,383 posts

162 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Uncle John said:
How sad that a son would take his Dad to court over some (very nice) nuts and bolts that would one day be his anyway. Very sad.
Astonishing really.

As ever the only winner will be the bloody lawyers bank balance.


jamespink

1,029 posts

139 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Pat H said:
What an utterly depressing read. I don't know whether to feel pity or anger.



My Dad was a real petrolhead and he and I shared many cars and bikes.

Regrettably, he died at the ripe old age of 63.

I would give anything to spend a couple of hours with him. To tell him how his grand daughters turned out and to have a laugh about all the daft cars and bikes that I have owned during the last 13 years.
My thoughts exactly. Madness...

jamespink

1,029 posts

139 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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The orange prototype looks other worldly, even next to a rally Stratos...

filski666

3,471 posts

127 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Is that the guy that paid for the "New" Stratos concept to be made?

soad

29,183 posts

111 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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"The four Lancias, which were all produced in the 1970s, are worth three million euros (£2.2 million), according to the father's lawyers.

The cars are a 1971 Lancia Stratos HF, a 1975 Lancia Stratos HF Silhouette Turbo, A 1975 Lancia Stradale Street Car and a 1975 Lancia Stratos Safari."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...

iva cosworth

36,471 posts

98 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Why court cases in 3 different countries ?.....confused

soad

29,183 posts

111 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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filski666 said:
Is that the guy that paid for the "New" Stratos concept to be made?

Christian Hrabalek with his Stratos concept design at the Frankfurt International Motor Show in 2005

filski666

3,471 posts

127 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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soad said:
filski666 said:
Is that the guy that paid for the "New" Stratos concept to be made?

hristian Hrabalek with his Stratos concept design at the Frankfurt International Motor Show in 2005
Aaah - so it was the son that did the new one

julian64

12,499 posts

189 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Sons an idiot. No ones arguing that the father was the original owner.

Even if my father were to give me something he owned id just be greatful. If he asked for it back. I'd give it back because I hadn't paid anything for it.

Sons needs to learn some decency

JONSCZ

873 posts

172 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Pat H said:
What an utterly depressing read. I don't know whether to feel pity or anger.



My Dad was a real petrolhead and he and I shared many cars and bikes.

Regrettably, he died at the ripe old age of 63.

I would give anything to spend a couple of hours with him. To tell him how his grand daughters turned out and to have a laugh about all the daft cars and bikes that I have owned during the last 13 years.
Pat, I also couldn't agree more.
I have to say that's one of the most well written, poignant and emotional things I've read on Pistonheads in a long time. In fact, is it me, or is it 'a bit dusty in here'....


marcosgt

10,173 posts

111 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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julian64 said:
Sons an idiot. No ones arguing that the father was the original owner.

Even if my father were to give me something he owned id just be greatful. If he asked for it back. I'd give it back because I hadn't paid anything for it.

Sons needs to learn some decency
He did always come over as a rather spoilt brat when he was showing 'his' collection off in the motoring press.

I didn't realise they were actually Daddy's cars, I just assumed he'd bought them with Daddy's money...

M