Thoughts on Cygnet

Thoughts on Cygnet

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Brakke

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490 posts

92 months

Saturday 12th March 2016
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Please dont shoot me, but ive placed a bid on this car: http://auto.autoscout24.nl/Aston%20Martin-Cygnet-B...

I wanted to know if someone knows the true production run worlwide on these including division between manual and auto.
Im selling my v8v 4.3 and bought a v12vr and want something for the lovely boss to have as well.

Does anyone know the production run, I read very different things on the interwebs...
Any help appreciated.

Regards


RobDown

3,800 posts

97 months

Saturday 12th March 2016
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I thought it was just over 100 produced - rare as hens teeth which is why they're going up in value

And before anyone says, ugly, Toyota iq etc etc. Yes we know, but the classic car market values rarity over function (it's why a v8 zagato is worth a lot despite being one of the ugliest cars ever made)

NickXX

1,418 posts

187 months

Saturday 12th March 2016
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148 units I think. Seem to be holding their value at least!

Brakke

Original Poster:

490 posts

92 months

Saturday 12th March 2016
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this article says 143 on BRITISH roads: http://jalopnik.com/the-aston-martin-cygnet-is-dea...
But anther article says less than 150 total produced: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-24...
And thats where the confusion lays: they use worldwide and UK production numbers in a mix all over the place.

So nobody has a reliable worldwide production number?
I dont care what people think, i just like the fact that the inside looks great and we live bang in the centre of Amsterdam, so small cars are king when it comes to getting around.

I made them an offer, lets see what they say. Still would like to know production numbers.


Edited by Brakke on Saturday 12th March 10:05


Edited by Brakke on Saturday 12th March 10:05

kensilver

312 posts

88 months

Saturday 12th March 2016
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It certainly was a very unusual departure from the heritage of the brand and may have some increased market value because of that, and scarcity.

But I would be embarrassed to be seen driving in it. What was Bez thinking!!!!

V8LM

5,044 posts

178 months

Saturday 12th March 2016
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Around 800 were built according to astonmartins.com. How many of these ended up on the road may not be the same number.

Flugplatz

1,950 posts

214 months

Saturday 12th March 2016
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kensilver said:
It certainly was a very unusual departure from the heritage of the brand and may have some increased market value because of that, and scarcity.

But I would be embarrassed to be seen driving in it. What was Bez thinking!!!!
It was a smart way of meeting overall Company emissions targets or something like that.

Jon39

8,647 posts

112 months

Saturday 12th March 2016
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Brakke said:
this article says 143 on BRITISH roads: http://jalopnik.com/the-aston-martin-cygnet-is-dea...
But anther article says less than 150 total produced: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-24...
And thats where the confusion lays: they use worldwide and UK production numbers in a mix all over the place.

So nobody has a reliable worldwide production number?

Still would like to know production numbers.

I have a vague feeling that when production of a model ceases, the Heritage Trust obtain some information. Possibly worth asking.

Appreciate that you are not in the UK, but if it might be of interest, these are the UK licence details;

First time registrations: 84 + 123 CVT = 207.
On 30 Sep 2015 there were: 54 + 98 CVT = 152.

55 have therefore disappeared.
Presumably accidents and moved overseas would account for some of those.
I wonder if a few prototypes were in the initial registration numbers, but subsequently had to be destroyed.

Whenever I see a tiny car (usually Smart) on our motorways, they always seem to be driving flat out. However, just the lightest touch on the throttle to overtake, preferably on an uphill stretch, is always fun.




Edited by Jon39 on Saturday 12th March 11:52

petop

1,953 posts

135 months

Saturday 12th March 2016
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There is one for sale down the road from me. Drove past with my 17 year old daughter the other day who was amazed, "look at that Yaris on sale for £32,000. Are they stupid?"

Neil1300r

5,300 posts

147 months

Saturday 12th March 2016
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Flugplatz said:
It was a smart way of meeting overall Company emissions targets or something like that.
banghead

Never had anything to do with emissions, just a Bez vanity project

Flugplatz

1,950 posts

214 months

Saturday 12th March 2016
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Neil1300r said:
banghead

Never had anything to do with emissions, just a Bez vanity project
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_iQ#Scion_iQ_EV

Aston Martin Cygnet


The Aston Martin Cygnet is a rebadged variant of the Toyota/Scion iQ marketed by Aston Martin beginning with model year 2011—enabling Aston Martin to comply with the 2012 European Union-imposed fleet average emissions regulations.[43][44]

LordBretSinclair

4,083 posts

146 months

Saturday 12th March 2016
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You don't really believe everything that's on wikipedia do you ????? rolleyes

whoami

13,121 posts

209 months

Saturday 12th March 2016
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Neil1300r said:
Flugplatz said:
It was a smart way of meeting overall Company emissions targets or something like that.
banghead

Never had anything to do with emissions, just a Bez vanity project
Indeed. The emissions stuff is a total red herring.

Jon39

8,647 posts

112 months

Saturday 12th March 2016
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Flugplatz said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_iQ#Scion_iQ_E...

The Aston Martin Cygnet is a rebadged variant of the Toyota/Scion iQ marketed by Aston Martin beginning with model year 2011—enabling Aston Martin to comply with the 2012 European Union-imposed fleet average emissions regulations.[43][44]

The person who wrote that on Wikipedia might be correct, but it is all very confusing, because we have heard several different explanations.

One was that Aston Martin are not yet subject to the EU emissions regulations, because their vehicle production is below some particular number.

That version does seem to make sense, because for the past two years, Aston Martin have continued to build cars, where the smallest engine is the 420 bhp V8.

It has also been suggested that the Cygnet would be counted within the Toyota figures under emissions rules, because when it arrived in Britain, the car was already a complete vehicle.








Edited by Jon39 on Saturday 12th March 15:48

Mako V12V

3,135 posts

183 months

Saturday 12th March 2016
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Saeed - contact Simon Stanton at AM Works, Newport Pagnell, he should be able to confirm numbers for you.

RobDown

3,800 posts

97 months

Saturday 12th March 2016
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Tim C is normally pretty good with his numbers. But I'm not convinced by that 800 figure. Everything I read, including a Reuters article citing aston sources suggests they sold 150 (and they gave one to Stirling moss)

Some may have disappeared from the market as the rumour was that yacht owners were buying them to put on their superyachts

For what it's worth the EU emissions regulations do also apply to small volume manufacturers, but in this case individual improvement targets are set. But as stated above I think the cygnet was a bez vanity project (one of his many - anyone have an UB-DBS?) rather than an emissions trick. Now Andy palmers RapidE is an emissions play....

Neil1300r

5,300 posts

147 months

Saturday 12th March 2016
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Dr Bez admits he didn't need the Cygnet for emissions targets

http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/55000-city-car-...


Brakke

Original Poster:

490 posts

92 months

Saturday 12th March 2016
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Mako V12V said:
Saeed - contact Simon Stanton at AM Works, Newport Pagnell, he should be able to confirm numbers for you.
Got an email address for me?

BTW: Monday im delivering my 550 for a service, so will go have a look at that V12V you been badgering on about without end! wink

Brakke

Original Poster:

490 posts

92 months

Saturday 12th March 2016
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Thanks for all the input.
I dont believe the 800 number either, there are far too few for sale to justify 800 as a total run.

Anyway, ill keep you guys posted if I end up buying that hotrod of a car.
It looks so angry and mean and powerful, oh wait..i mean the EXACT opposite haha.


RichB

45,731 posts

253 months

Saturday 12th March 2016
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RobDown said:
Some may have disappeared from the market as the rumour was that yacht owners were buying them to put on their superyachts
I know they're not everyone's cup of tea but using as a boat anchor is a bit harsh!