RE: Audi RS3: Driven

Thursday 16th March 2017

2017 Audi RS3 (8V) | Review

Does a boot up the backside give the reborn 400hp RS3 a new lease of life?



Even Audi knows it now. In the press briefing for the new RS3 hatch and saloon, the 400hp 2.5-litre turbo engine is described as the "main purchase motivation" for prospective buyers. Not the latest generation Quattro (with a redesigned multi-plate clutch and torque vectoring) and not the freshened up design (including flared front arches that "evocatively link" the car back to the Ur-Quattro), but the big five-cylinder lump out front.

Except it isn't so big any more. Following the TT RS this RS3 receives the latest version of the 2.5, with 33hp more and 26kg less. That's a fair chunk to take out of the front axle, as well as meaning that an A3 is now on sale with 400hp. For the four-door, that means you can buy an A3 saloon with the same power as an E39 M5. Crazy.


And where better to begin assessing the RS3 than with its star attribute? Unsurprisingly given its links to both the TT and the previous RS3, it remains an absolutely stellar engine. While of course the noise is what most will fixate on - add your own WRC analogy now - the engine's characteristics are deserving of praise too. That 400hp peak is delivered from 5,850-7,000rpm, a far revvier nature bestowed on the car than a very undersquare layout (82.5mm bore, 92.8mm stroke) would imply from the spec sheet. So the incentive is there in terms of performance and eagerness - as well as the noise, yes - to rev that engine out. Plus, with 354lb ft from just 1,700rpm, there's more than enough torque to call upon at lower engine speeds. It remains a great engine, and more interesting than the EA888 found in many other VW group hot hatches. As Audi so confidently predicts, it's easy to see why the engine is the main justification for purchasing an RS3.

Because, as you might have been able to predict, the rest of the package can't quite match the heady heights of that engine. That's not to say the car is bad - far from it - it's simply that the engine is comfortably the most endearing aspect. It's paired to the same seven-speed dual clutch gearbox as before, albeit now a slightly lighter unit. While still a good gearbox, it can feel just occasionally indecisive and a little too keen to downshift in the racier drive modes. It's a shame that the paddles are the same as you would find on any VW paddleshift too - something more tactile would surely suit better. Just a few years ago this gearbox would have felt superb, though it shows the rate of dual-clutch progress that it now only feels good rather than cutting edge.


As mentioned, the engine's other key contribution to this new RS3 beyond power is the reduced weight over the front axle. And while it would take a back-to-back with the previous incarnation to be sure, this RS3 does feel a tad more agile at the front, diving into corners that bit more eagerly. It's not suddenly transformed the driving experience, but it feels a worthwhile enhancement.

That the front tyres can still be optioned up to a 255-section (from a 235-section as standard, with 235s remaining at the rear) indicates a lot about the driving experience - this remains a car largely dictated by its front end. Despite unique RS3 software for the Quattro multi-plate clutch, despite claims of up to 100 per cent of torque being sent to the back axle and despite the car moving around to an extent on slippy tarmac, the car always feels centred on its nose predominantly.


That's far from the end of the world, however. With those tyres comes huge confidence, the ability to place a car accurately and carry speed is very confidence inspiring. Let's not forget either that the RS3 recipe has proven a popular one now - if buyers felt that a significant element was missing from the dynamic make up, it would surely have been addressed by now. So fast, precise, and mostly drama free it is.

Trouble being that it would be nice to have a car with more facets to its dynamic character, one able to entertain a little more at no cost to the all-weather speed thing. Look at Mercedes-AMG, for example, with the limited-slip diff option on the '45' cars for a more tenacious front end, or even at other Audis with the Sport Differential; optionally available on cars like our S4 Avant long-termer it has the potential to add true throttle adjustability to the package, though it is of course only compatible with cars using a longitudinal powertrain.


Therefore what remains is largely as you were for the RS3: frustratingly light steering, a fairly abrupt ride (the press material says the set up is "decidedly stiff"; the magnetic ride is probably worth trying) and a really rather nice interior. If that's what the people want...

But what about the saloon? Could that be the car to rejuvenate the RS3, to evoke the spirit of the legendary B7 RS4 saloon and to give enthusiasts a great small Audi? Not exactly. In a limited test drive it felt much the same as the hatch, predictably. The weight gain is negligible (1,510kg DIN for the Sportback, 1,515kg for the saloon) and a 14mm wider track for the four-door is not enough for an appreciable difference. All that being said it offers an interesting alternative to the CLA45 AMG in the very small - disappointingly so, in fact - premium fast four-door market. Hopefully that's a twin-test to organise in the near future.


More than that though, the RS3 saloon looks excellent; it's well proportioned and with just the right amount of visual oomph to let you know it's something special. Or you could go the whole hog and have it painted Viper Green, which does look brilliant. Audi is placing particular emphasis on the four-door, suggesting it can succeed in markets that typically prefer a boot - America, China, the Middle East - and help Audi Sport "conquer the world" (Stephan Winkelmann's words) with the five-door Sportback. It's expected that 40 per cent of global RS3 sales will be the saloon, and it would get our vote out of the two for being the better looking and (slightly) more interesting car.

In conclusion then there is much to recommend the RS3, as there was before, though it comes with the existing caveats as well. That there feels to be a touch more dynamic edge is welcome, though it still feels that more could be forthcoming without alienating other owners; let's see how that manifests itself in the UK. Yes, there's that old caveat too. But the RS3 remains an exceptionally brisk, accomplished and very high quality hatchback (or saloon) with a fantastic engine. For many that will continue to be enough, though some may still be left craving more reward.


SPECIFICATION | 2017 AUDI RS3 SALOON FACELIFT (8V)
Engine
: 2,480cc, 5-cylinder turbocharged
Transmission: 7-speed dual-clutch automatic, Quattro all-wheel drive
Power (hp): 400@5,850 - 7,000rpm
Torque (lb ft):354@1,700rpm
0-62mph: 4.1sec
Top speed: 174mph
Weight: 1,515kg (DIN)
MPG: 34
CO2: 188g/km
Price: TBC









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sidesauce

Original Poster:

2,468 posts

218 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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I really rather like the look of that.

It's also nice to see a 'normal' car in an outlandish colour instead of the usual grey/silver/snore/blah!

Ahbefive

11,657 posts

172 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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A funky colour certainly does make it look more interesting. Hopefully it will drive well on UK roads but when specced up it is quite silly money.

JustADay

196 posts

126 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Audi normally have some pretty good looking seats on their RS models but I think those are absolutely gopping:


AMGJocky

1,407 posts

116 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Looks good and we know the engine sounds superb. The rest of it is just a little bit sleep


rampageturke

2,622 posts

162 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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400hp never looked so boring and dull...

smilo996

2,774 posts

170 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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The front spoiler looks mildly better but otherwise it just looks so completely dull.

Presbyterian styling has run its course.

kambites

67,543 posts

221 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Looks lovely in that green to me, especially compared to its competition. It does seem to need the bright colour though, the grey one looks awful.

JohnoVR6

690 posts

212 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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That green is an awesome colour. Audi do some amazing options, just a shame most go for resale grey - Riviera Blue is my favourite on the sedan, have contemplated wrapping mine several times;



Disappointing to hear that the steering is still woefully light. It (and the wet fart exhaust note of the EA888) are the biggest pet hates of mine. Be interesting to see if this has the same 'rear end bounce' going over speed bumps at low speeds. Really quite horrible in the S3.

Dave Hedgehog

14,545 posts

204 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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rampageturke said:
400hp never looked so boring and dull...
that is my biggest problem with the last one and these, they do look so boring and in normal colours with the rotor rims they could be a diesel

they need to bring back proper flared arches and offer an aero kit

Escort3500

11,877 posts

145 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Wow, 5 posts before the haters emerge.....Audi must be getting better laugh

Dave Hedgehog

14,545 posts

204 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Escort3500 said:
Wow, 5 posts before the haters emerge.....Audi must be getting better laugh
if they had made it look like the concept my deposit would have been down 2 years ago


AMGJocky

1,407 posts

116 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Dave Hedgehog said:
Escort3500 said:
Wow, 5 posts before the haters emerge.....Audi must be getting better laugh
if they had made it look like the concept my deposit would have been down 2 years ago

Now THAT is what I would buy.

forzaminardi

2,289 posts

187 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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One of the best-looking cars available, imo, a great engine, all-weather performance, great interior. For my money, Audi's best current model.

Fetchez la vache

5,572 posts

214 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Not sure if this is an RS hit or miss. I really want this to be a hit.

It's got so much going for it - engine dynamics, engine sound, interior.. exterior!
Having driven the prev model, I still can't help feeling that a £40k(?) sports model has such wanting dynamics... sure it's "okay" ...but

Open goal & hits the post. Miss.

Edit: Just spotted elsewhere it looks closer to £50k... faaaaaak!

Edited by Fetchez la vache on Thursday 16th March 11:07

J4CKO

41,459 posts

200 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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forzaminardi said:
One of the best-looking cars available, imo, a great engine, all-weather performance, great interior. For my money, Audi's best current model.
It looks ok, but one of the best looking cars available ?

Limpet

6,304 posts

161 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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JohnoVR6 said:
Disappointing to hear that the steering is still woefully light.
Crap steering is just a modern car thing. I'm not a fan of Audi particularly, but it seems strange they get singled out for a flaw that is inherently present in almost all modern ePAS equipped cars.

I've just taken delivery of an M140i and the steering is by far the worst thing about it. Light and numb in Comfort, and heavier and numb in Sport/Sport+ . The other half's R57 Cooper S is better, but still not great. Previous F30 BMWs, VW CC, Audi A4 all have similarly numb steering. It's an ePAS thing.


kambites

67,543 posts

221 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Whilst EPAS systems rarely present any significant level of feedback, they do vary significantly in terms of the consistency of their weighting. I'm not a fan of any EPAS system I've tried, but some are considerably worse than others.

epom

11,482 posts

161 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Dave Hedgehog said:
rampageturke said:
400hp never looked so boring and dull...
that is my biggest problem with the last one and these, they do look so boring and in normal colours with the rotor rims they could be a diesel

they need to bring back proper flared arches and offer an aero kit
Yep a massive Aero Kit, like a GT3RS. Bet they'd sell like hot cakes then idea

Schermerhorn

4,342 posts

189 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Great cars but it has a big image problem (hatchback variety especially) means I will always hate them.

DPSFleet

192 posts

161 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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With options I expect £60k.....serious money - I think I will have the Alfa Quad instead.