VW TSI Timing chain issues, looking to avoid.
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Hi,
I am looking at potentially buying an Audi or VAG TSI car for around £3500-5000 I have read all of these have timing chain issues. I’m mainly looking at the 1.4 TSI or 1.8 TSI. Potentially the 2.0 TSI, although I’d prefer the lower tax and better fuel economy of the smaller engines.
Does anybody know which engines are affected or have a list?
I’ve searched Google but can’t seem to find a list. I’d prefer a belt engine given the issues with the chains.
Cheers
I am looking at potentially buying an Audi or VAG TSI car for around £3500-5000 I have read all of these have timing chain issues. I’m mainly looking at the 1.4 TSI or 1.8 TSI. Potentially the 2.0 TSI, although I’d prefer the lower tax and better fuel economy of the smaller engines.
Does anybody know which engines are affected or have a list?
I’ve searched Google but can’t seem to find a list. I’d prefer a belt engine given the issues with the chains.
Cheers
Avoid the earlier version of the 1.4 TSI if you're worried about timing chain issues as I think they're the worst from your list. You'd want the newer EA211 version with a a 'Lifetime cambelt' which appeared around 2013.
The 2.0 TSI in EA888 form seems to suffer from timing chain tensioner issues but I think this was rectified around 2012. Earlier EA113 version (MK5 GTI etc) uses a cambelt which needs changing periodically.
Don't tend to hear of problems from the 1.8T but it's less common than the other two and used in fewer cars.
The 2.0 TSI in EA888 form seems to suffer from timing chain tensioner issues but I think this was rectified around 2012. Earlier EA113 version (MK5 GTI etc) uses a cambelt which needs changing periodically.
Don't tend to hear of problems from the 1.8T but it's less common than the other two and used in fewer cars.
EA113 still has a chain between the exhaust and intake cams though, which you won't be shocked to learn also wears out and rattles.
Like I said, with ANY engine that uses chains, there is no escaping the wear and tear issue. Chains wear out on pedal and motorbikes and no one bats an eye lid, but when they wear out on car engines people get all hyper sensitive about it.
1.8T liked to snap it's oil pump chain. Again, chains, chains, chains....... even saws have them, and they wear out
Like I said, with ANY engine that uses chains, there is no escaping the wear and tear issue. Chains wear out on pedal and motorbikes and no one bats an eye lid, but when they wear out on car engines people get all hyper sensitive about it.
1.8T liked to snap it's oil pump chain. Again, chains, chains, chains....... even saws have them, and they wear out
SuperchargedVR6 said:
EA113 still has a chain between the exhaust and intake cams though, which you won't be shocked to learn also wears out and rattles.
Like I said, with ANY engine that uses chains, there is no escaping the wear and tear issue. Chains wear out on pedal and motorbikes and no one bats an eye lid, but when they wear out on car engines people get all hyper sensitive about it.
1.8T liked to snap it's oil pump chain. Again, chains, chains, chains....... even saws have them, and they wear out
Ah but some manufacturers in the past have successfully engineered them to outlast the life of the engine, its not difficult (just maybe a bit more expensive) This issue is simply a cost cutting problem/design issue that ends in the customer having to pay in the long run. Like I said, with ANY engine that uses chains, there is no escaping the wear and tear issue. Chains wear out on pedal and motorbikes and no one bats an eye lid, but when they wear out on car engines people get all hyper sensitive about it.
1.8T liked to snap it's oil pump chain. Again, chains, chains, chains....... even saws have them, and they wear out
Still they have a "Premium" soft touch dash so they must be quality cars
Google will find you lots of threads on the 1.8 TSI
https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/281301-18-ts...
The 2.0 TSI EA888 variants suffer from tensioner problems (which can be preemptively fixed) or get a later car.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=2627...
Older EA113 engines are belt (with a chain on the other side).
MK5 GTI and similar (EA113) getting a bit old to find a good example
MK6 GTI and similar get one made after May 2010
MK7 engines seem OK so far
https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/281301-18-ts...
The 2.0 TSI EA888 variants suffer from tensioner problems (which can be preemptively fixed) or get a later car.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=2627...
Older EA113 engines are belt (with a chain on the other side).
MK5 GTI and similar (EA113) getting a bit old to find a good example
MK6 GTI and similar get one made after May 2010
MK7 engines seem OK so far
Parisien said:
I see its the TSI engine mentioned in dispatches, does the same apply to the Audi TFSI 1.4 engine, its got 80k miles on it now.
Yep they're the same engine, when was it mentioned in Dispatches? The diesels got a lot of bad press on Watchdog last month so things clearly aren't going too well with VW engines at the moment. Came across this link, seems to be some confusion according to other sources, affecting the higher powered engines 170BHP versus the 123 BHP, then quoting that the issues affected just a few hundred?
The second video is of a 1.4, mine makes same noise as this but only on startup, definitely timing chain?
http://ukcar.reviews/audi-a1-8x1-2010-problems-rec...
The second video is of a 1.4, mine makes same noise as this but only on startup, definitely timing chain?
http://ukcar.reviews/audi-a1-8x1-2010-problems-rec...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
I've linked both TFSI/TSI threads on the main forum.
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I've linked both TFSI/TSI threads on the main forum.
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cptsideways said:
SuperchargedVR6 said:
EA113 still has a chain between the exhaust and intake cams though, which you won't be shocked to learn also wears out and rattles.
Like I said, with ANY engine that uses chains, there is no escaping the wear and tear issue. Chains wear out on pedal and motorbikes and no one bats an eye lid, but when they wear out on car engines people get all hyper sensitive about it.
1.8T liked to snap it's oil pump chain. Again, chains, chains, chains....... even saws have them, and they wear out
Ah but some manufacturers in the past have successfully engineered them to outlast the life of the engine, its not difficult (just maybe a bit more expensive) This issue is simply a cost cutting problem/design issue that ends in the customer having to pay in the long run. Like I said, with ANY engine that uses chains, there is no escaping the wear and tear issue. Chains wear out on pedal and motorbikes and no one bats an eye lid, but when they wear out on car engines people get all hyper sensitive about it.
1.8T liked to snap it's oil pump chain. Again, chains, chains, chains....... even saws have them, and they wear out
Still they have a "Premium" soft touch dash so they must be quality cars
Oh well, best we just take our own lives now then, thereby sparing ourselves of being fleeced by the German system eh? And damn those soft touch plastics, tsk. I would much rather my head smash onto a lump of rigid plastic, sheesh, what ever next?
Hi all
Interesting thread, just trying to get to the bottom of one question really... hoping someone here can confirm as it's a more recent post.
Just a few quotes from the thread
"The 2.0 TSI EA888 variants suffer from tensioner problems (which can be preemptively fixed) or get a later car."
By preemptive fix - do you mean by getting a updated version of the tensioner fitted - would that solve / prevent the issue even if the car is a 2010 build otherwise?
I ask because of the following also in the thread....
"The 2.0 TSI in EA888 form seems to suffer from timing chain tensioner issues but I think this was rectified around 2012. "
Having said that, in the same car (Passat CC 2010) would the 1.8t be a better choice if this is plagued - or as above, if a updated part is fitted - then all ok?
Interesting thread, just trying to get to the bottom of one question really... hoping someone here can confirm as it's a more recent post.
Just a few quotes from the thread
"The 2.0 TSI EA888 variants suffer from tensioner problems (which can be preemptively fixed) or get a later car."
By preemptive fix - do you mean by getting a updated version of the tensioner fitted - would that solve / prevent the issue even if the car is a 2010 build otherwise?
I ask because of the following also in the thread....
"The 2.0 TSI in EA888 form seems to suffer from timing chain tensioner issues but I think this was rectified around 2012. "
Having said that, in the same car (Passat CC 2010) would the 1.8t be a better choice if this is plagued - or as above, if a updated part is fitted - then all ok?
There is no definitive answer. Look at the cam / crank correlation channels in VAG-COM to see how far off it is. Usually measuring block 93.
Either the chain has worn out to the point of the tensioner running out of travel to take up the slack, or the tensioner isn't holding oil pressure and causing slack. Only thorough diagnostics can reveal which it is.
Either the chain has worn out to the point of the tensioner running out of travel to take up the slack, or the tensioner isn't holding oil pressure and causing slack. Only thorough diagnostics can reveal which it is.
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