RE: Toyota GR Super Sport Concept

RE: Toyota GR Super Sport Concept

Friday 12th January

Toyota GR Super Sport Concept

Anything AMG can do we can too, says Toyota - and drops an LMP1 powertrain in a concept...



Alright, so it's not confirmed for production yet. But given the second paragraph of Toyota's press release for the GR Super Sport says Toyota "aims to refine its cars and people toward the goal of making ever-better cars through participation in motorsport activities", you would have to hope this could be the crowning glory of that idea.

The arrival of this concept also implies a renewed commitment from Toyota to the World Endurance Championship despite the departure of Audi and Porsche. It's described as "a highly beneficial and necessary project" for Toyota, to help develop its hybrid and EV systems. This car uses "mostly the same parts" as the TS050 Hybrid racer, which means a twin-turbo 2.4-litre V6 and racing hybrid system for a combined 1,000hp. According to Toyota the car "is set to deliver both ultimate power and environmental performance."


Interestingly there's no comment on the styling of the GR Super Sport, so we'll come out and say now that it looks absolutely fantastic. It's lean and minimalist but beautiful too, details like the exhausts, the lights and those gorgeous rear haunches creating something spectacular.

Toyota President Akio Toyoda believes the company has a challenge on its hands to make cars that will be fun for the next century, commenting that "Toyota Gazoo Racing aims to continue making exciting cars to bring smiles to our customers' faces and contribute to the future of the automobile industry." And while the GR Super Sport might be a little way off, there is the next Supra to look forward to in the more immediate future. We're holding on to a faint hope that Gazoo could turn its attention to a GT86 for the UK too...

Whether the concept makes production or not, this week looks like a clear sign of intent from Toyota Gazoo: as well as the Super Sport we've seen the launch of the Yaris GRMN, there's a new WRC car, and a Lexus LC car for the N24. More on those imminently...

 

 

 

 

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Aftershox

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103 posts

94 months

Friday 12th January
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Is this the same power-train which stopped on the start/finish straight at Le mans in 2016? And all Toyota cars retiring in 2017?

Hopefully they improve reliability then...

Krikkit

13,497 posts

117 months

Friday 12th January
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That looks rather awesome, perhaps a bit too extreme for posing in Monaco, but more like an Aston Vulcan-level machine.

kambites

55,379 posts

157 months

Friday 12th January
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Some headlights might be a good idea if it's going to be a road car. smile

stevesingo

3,326 posts

158 months

Friday 12th January
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How much better does a correctly proportioned wheel/tyre combo look that the silly 13" affairs F1 uses?

Gecko1978

2,109 posts

93 months

Friday 12th January
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When I was a kid in the 80s I assumed when I was older "in the future" all cars would look like this. The reality is if they made it, it would have a price tag over £100k which would mean only a had full of people would ever see or own one.

I do wonder if the resonbley priced sports car can only ever be as good as say a GT86 or an MX5. The arket for 2 seaters is I suppose small but in the past we did have the MGF based on a metro etc so why can we not have a car tha tlooks like this but that can be bought by the many.

I think the answer is the GT86 a sports car that people say is not sporty needs more power etc has bland looks, if Toyota made the GT86 look like this people would still complain it did not handel was not fast enough etc and to make it all those things the price would have to go up.

Given the most popular car in the UK is a for Fiesta I do not think people really can afford cars that are 40 50 100k etc and I suspect most cars in the 30 to 60k bracket are on PCP or company car deals etc so have to be practical i.e. turn up to a supplier in a 2 seater LMP with enough space to carry a tooth brush is not going to help a sales director of a double glazing firm etc.


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CABC

2,205 posts

37 months

Friday 12th January
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Gecko1978 said:
When I was a kid in the 80s I assumed when I was older "in the future" all cars would look like this. The reality is if they made it, it would have a price tag over £100k which would mean only a had full of people would ever see or own one.

I do wonder if the resonbley priced sports car can only ever be as good as say a GT86 or an MX5. The arket for 2 seaters is I suppose small but in the past we did have the MGF based on a metro etc so why can we not have a car tha tlooks like this but that can be bought by the many.

I think the answer is the GT86 a sports car that people say is not sporty needs more power etc has bland looks, if Toyota made the GT86 look like this people would still complain it did not handel was not fast enough etc and to make it all those things the price would have to go up.

Given the most popular car in the UK is a for Fiesta I do not think people really can afford cars that are 40 50 100k etc and I suspect most cars in the 30 to 60k bracket are on PCP or company car deals etc so have to be practical i.e. turn up to a supplier in a 2 seater LMP with enough space to carry a tooth brush is not going to help a sales director of a double glazing firm etc.
reasonably priced sports cars have always been parts bin specials though.
modern day ones, especially the near 30-yr old MX5 are outstanding compared to yesteryear.
too many k/brd warriors today. Too much demand for gismos. a lot of safety. cars too heavy!
a lot of old French hatchbacks are so much fun in part because of weight, not exemplary engineering.
Bulk of the market was never sports cars though. Austins were big sellers...

Krikkit

13,497 posts

117 months

Friday 12th January
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Gecko1978 said:
When I was a kid in the 80s I assumed when I was older "in the future" all cars would look like this. The reality is if they made it, it would have a price tag over £100k which would mean only a had full of people would ever see or own one.
£100k? That might buy you most of the hybrid system from their supplier.

You're easily talking £1-2m if they build it.

Gecko1978

2,109 posts

93 months

Friday 12th January
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Krikkit said:
Gecko1978 said:
When I was a kid in the 80s I assumed when I was older "in the future" all cars would look like this. The reality is if they made it, it would have a price tag over £100k which would mean only a had full of people would ever see or own one.
£100k? That might buy you most of the hybrid system from their supplier.

You're easily talking £1-2m if they build it.
My point was cars never look this cool I was not expecting it to actually be a 1000bhp hybrid LMP for the road etc. Apologies if that was not clear. Also £1m is over £100k as I said, the point is £100k £1m £10m its all the same unaffordable.

I do not think we can have fun small light sports cars now because of regulation so if you want something fast an light then it has to cost huge sums. The Alpine etc is over 50k so therefore most buys can not afford it. While the MGF was not great I used it as an example of a car which looked cool (I was not a fan but they sold lots) but was based on a metro and was thus cheap.




Edited by Gecko1978 on Friday 12th January 14:20

havoc

24,157 posts

171 months

Friday 12th January
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kambites said:
Some headlights might be a good idea if it's going to be a road car. smile
I'm fairly sure the lights are at the back of those long black teardrops inboard of the front arches.

If so, that DOES look pretty cool...wonder if the beam pattern works in the real-world though?!?

ajprice

15,373 posts

132 months

Friday 12th January
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The 4 hexagons each side at the front could be blanks showing where they would be.

RenesisEvo

3,068 posts

155 months

Friday 12th January
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clap well done Toyota - genuinely think they've stolen Mercedes' thunder with this. And it makes the AMG Project One styling look bland and dated too. I hope this doesn't become a one-off unicorn like the TS020 road car.

Loyly

16,353 posts

95 months

Friday 12th January
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Absolutely magnificent!

DanielSan

13,597 posts

103 months

Friday 12th January
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Imagine LM24 having regs where this, the Valkyrie/Vulcan, LaFXX, P1GTR etc were the top class ala 90’s road going racers. That would get WEC into the eye of joe public.

mainaman

376 posts

121 months

Friday 12th January
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No doubt a rebodied Toyota LMP1 and a parts bin special,but what a car!Makes the MacLaren Senna to look even more POS-y;an abomination,based on a road car platform,which has been designed for a GT3 racing at best.

ecsrobin

9,312 posts

101 months

Friday 12th January
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Toyota take my money!

That looks great, as above a class of these in WEC against 918’s, P1’s and the like would be awesome.

lestiq

660 posts

105 months

Friday 12th January
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DanielSan said:
Imagine LM24 having regs where this, the Valkyrie/Vulcan, LaFXX, P1GTR etc were the top class ala 90’s road going racers. That would get WEC into the eye of joe public.
Am I alone in being a bit worried for Ginetta that they will be the last person standing with an LMP1 car, I don't think its a coincidence that Mercedes, Mclaren, now toyota and Aston have all brought out these sorts of cars recently. don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a class above GTE pro with these hammering round, but that would surely be a big threat to the prestige of LMP1, I wouldn't think the manufacturers would want to go all in, if it meant they would only ever be class leaders. Which is why I'm worried for Ginetta that they are about to be heavily screwed over by ze Germans and WEC.

Mastodon2

12,752 posts

101 months

Saturday 13th January
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This is amazing. It makes the McLaren Senna look a bit silly.

gigglebug

963 posts

58 months

Saturday 13th January
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havoc said:
kambites said:
Some headlights might be a good idea if it's going to be a road car. smile
I'm fairly sure the lights are at the back of those long black teardrops inboard of the front arches.

If so, that DOES look pretty cool...wonder if the beam pattern works in the real-world though?!?
Are you sure? It looks like the teardrops open onto the inside of the front wheels to me with a mesh towards front? It's too hard to tell for sure zooming in on the photos provided.

Are the exhausts half way up its back?

I also can't quite determine from the article whether this is actually being touted as a possible road car by Toyota or if it's just wishful thinking on the behalf of the author? I really like the looks of it but it appears to have a cabin the size of the Valkyrie's! At least the AMG looks to have 2 folks in comfort as part of its remit, not 2 folks squeezed into the space left when the aerodynamics have been perfected. Not a problem for a race car obviously so maybe it's irrelevant.

Edited by gigglebug on Saturday 13th January 03:30

T1berious

1,105 posts

91 months

Saturday 13th January
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Oh yes. Mirroring some of the thoughts above this makes the Senna look decidedly "Max Power".

It will no doubt be beyond my humble wallets reach but as an automotive piece of art it's my new PC back drop!

Toyota, I salute you!

Amanitin

182 posts

73 months

Saturday 13th January
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so they put a less racy body on the LMP1 car and call it 'a concept with an LMP1 drive train dropped in'.
ok then.