RE: What is a disc brake? PH Explains

RE: What is a disc brake? PH Explains

Friday 13th April 2018

What is a disc brake? PH Explains

The disc brake has become an almost ubiquitous component of the modern car. There's a good reason for that...



A disc brake is an assembly that provides stopping power by clamping brake pads against a rotating disc. The brake disc itself is typically affixed to the wheel hub, so when the brake pedal is pressed to slow the rotation of the disc, the wheel attached to the hub also slows.

You'll find disc brakes on the front axle of all modern cars, while many more expensive or higher-performance cars will have disc brakes fitted on the rear axle as well.

How does a disc brake work?

There are three main components in a simple disc brake assembly. Firstly, the brake disc itself - which sits between the wheel and the wheel hub. The other two key components are the brake caliper, which contains hydraulically actuated pistons, and the brake pads.

The brake caliper is mounted to the car's axle housing, suspension upright or trailing arm, and the brake pads sit on either side of the disc within the caliper. When you press on the brake pedal, hydraulic fluid in the brake system is pressurised and pushes the pistons out of the caliper. This presses the brake pads, which are metal plates covered with friction material on the disc side, against the surface of the disc. This generates friction and slows the car down.

Cooling is provided by the ambient air flowing over the disc brake's components, which helps prevent them from overheating. When the brake overheats, usually after several hard stops or after a long hill descent while braking, its stopping power reduces - a condition known as 'brake fade'. Many disc brake set-ups feature ventilated discs and air ducts in order to improve cooling and reduce the chance of brake fade.


Are all disc brake set-ups the same?

There are two key elements that vary from disc brake to disc brake. Many cars, for example, use a 'floating' caliper. These feature a caliper support, bolted to the suspension or axle, which locates the caliper over the disc. The caliper has one piston and 'floats' on pins and bushings, which allows both brake pads to evenly the clamp the disc when the brake is applied. Sliding calipers are similar in design but the caliper body rides in machined slots in the support instead of on pins.

Otherwise, the brake system will rely on fixed calipers that are rigidly bolted to their attachment point. These fixed calipers typically have two pistons, one for each side, but can feature more. Increasing the number of pistons grants several benefits, such as permitting bigger brake pads to be used.

You may also encounter high-performance 'floating' brake discs. These have a separate brake rotor, clamped by the pads, which bolts to a 'hat' or 'bell' that then attaches to the hub. This arrangement allows the disc to expand easily when it gets hot, reducing the chance of warping or cracking.

The discs themselves are made from cast iron in most applications but some high-performance set-ups may use carbon-ceramic discs. These are lighter, more durable and resistant to corrosion. They are, however, far more expensive.


What are inboard disc brakes?

This refers to a braking set-up where the disc brakes are mounted inside the car's chassis or body, instead of behind the wheels. These offer several benefits, including being easier to package and improved ride and handling - because the brakes are no longer bolted to and part of the suspension system, reducing unsprung mass.

Inboard disc brakes can be far harder to service, however, and are typically only found in classic racing or road car applications.

Are disc brakes better than drum brakes?

Drum brakes rely on moving brake shoes into contact with the interior of a rotating drum to slow a wheel, unlike a disc brake that clamps pads to a rotating disc.

While drum brakes can provide plenty of stopping power, they are prone to overheating quickly during heavy use. A disc brake, which is not enclosed like a drum brake, is far better at dissipating the heat generated during braking.

Disc brakes are also far easier to service and require little maintenance - whereas many drum brakes can require intermittent adjustment to deliver proper function.


A brief history of disc brakes

The concept of disc brakes has been around for a long time, with British manufacturer Lanchester trialling a system in 1902. Problems with materials led that particular concept to go no further, however.

As cars got faster, manufacturers began seeking improved and more reliable stopping power. Consequently, in the late 1940s and early 1950s, disc brake systems began being developed and pressed into action - most prominently in Jaguar's C-Type race car, from 1952 onwards.

The first mass-produced car with disc brakes arrived not long after, in the form of the 1955 Citroen DS.

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HardMiles

Original Poster:

318 posts

86 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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Stop this nonsense! It’s not punny...

cholo

1,129 posts

235 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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I find these very interesting...

Riley Blue

20,955 posts

226 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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Next week: This is a steering wheel.

MrBarry123

6,027 posts

121 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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Riley Blue said:
Next week: This is a steering wheel.
I tend to frown at posts mocking PH articles however this... laugh

daytona111r

769 posts

204 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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That car again, first to it . . Citroen DS

Balmoral

40,891 posts

248 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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Is this what PH has come to? frown

PHMatt

608 posts

148 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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cholo said:
I find these very interesting...
Have you never seen a car before?


This is PIstonheads - everyone here should know, without a shadow of a doubt what a drum and disc brake is.


I would guess almost ever user here could write the same stories.

rev-erend

21,413 posts

284 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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In 20 years time students will wonder why we wasted all that energy and did not recoup it to charge capacitors or some other new power storage device.

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AW111

9,674 posts

133 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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IIRC disk brakes first widespread use was for aircraft - mainly because they were lighter than drums.

Ahbefive

11,657 posts

172 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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Balmoral said:
Is this what PH has come to? frown
It really is getting quite pathetic. They must be trying to make a "car components for dummys" book or something.

SlimJim16v

5,658 posts

143 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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Floating discs aren't bolted to the bells, or they wouldn't float. They're attached using bobbins, which do allow movement.

HardtopManual

2,430 posts

166 months

Saturday 14th April 2018
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Nanook said:
What are inboard disc brakes?
This refers to a braking set-up where the disc brakes are mounted inside the car's chassis or body, instead of behind the wheels.

It's not necessarily wrong. It's just terribly written. The person that wrote it might have known what they were talking about, or they might not have, it's hard to tell, but they certainly haven't explained it very well at all.
My reaction was similar - no mention of brake shafts, and the huge accidents caused by their failure, which is the main reason they were abandonded.

Bradgate

2,823 posts

147 months

Saturday 14th April 2018
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Having read the articles about drum and disc brakes, I’m confused. Discs clearly have many advantages over drums. They are simpler, easier & cheaper to maintain and are much better at dissipating heat, making them more resistant to fade.

So why were drums fitted to passenger cars for so long, and why were Ford still fitting them as recently as the last decade?

Car Fan

162 posts

116 months

Saturday 14th April 2018
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Bradgate said:
Having read the articles about drum and disc brakes, I’m confused. Discs clearly have many advantages over drums. They are simpler, easier & cheaper to maintain and are much better at dissipating heat, making them more resistant to fade.

So why were drums fitted to passenger cars for so long, and why were Ford still fitting them as recently as the last decade?
Cost - drum brakes are cheaper to manufacture and last longer than discs, which would be seen as an advantage in a low-powered hatchback.

They are still standard fit on a number of new cars now, on the rear axle at least - IIRC the latest base-spec VW Polo is one such example, and that's not even a particularly cheap car.

williamp

19,256 posts

273 months

Saturday 14th April 2018
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Discs are awful as handbrakes too.

Plate spinner

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Saturday 14th April 2018
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Ahbefive said:
Balmoral said:
Is this what PH has come to? frown
It really is getting quite pathetic. They must be trying to make a "car components for dummys" book or something.
It is a bit ‘MSN article’ that you sometimes find in the junk folders of an old Hotmail account...

2xChevrons

3,188 posts

80 months

Sunday 15th April 2018
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Bradgate said:
Having read the articles about drum and disc brakes, I’m confused. Discs clearly have many advantages over drums. They are simpler, easier & cheaper to maintain and are much better at dissipating heat, making them more resistant to fade.

So why were drums fitted to passenger cars for so long, and why were Ford still fitting them as recently as the last decade?
As said, they're simple and cheap to make in large numbers if we're talking about the motor industry pre-1960s - disc brakes were a technology that had to filter down from the aviation industry, and even then discs were far from universal. Drums were perfectly adequate for slow, light cars and the driving conditions of the time. The standard Mini and the Citroen 2CV were all-drum cars into the early 1980s while the Renault 4 made it into the late 80s before getting front discs.They were also much better-suited to being operated by mechanical (rod or cable) brake systems (vis: modern handbrakes) as found on most the majority of cars pre-1939. When hydraulic systems came into the picture it was easier to adapt the existing technology to use hydraulic operation.

Drums can also very easily be made 'self-servoing', where the friction lining of one or both of the shoes is 'grabbed' by the spinning drum as they come into contact and that energy forces the shoe harder against the drum, and so on. This is what produces the distinct 'biting' feel of twin-leading-shoe drum brakes on a classic car - press the pedal, nothing happens for a moment then you get braking force which runs ahead of the pedal movement. Not particularly progressive or controllable but a decent way of achieving extra stopping power.

A lot of the early disc brakes were pretty woeful - the much-vaunted 4-disc system on the Jaguar XK150 was little better than the older all-drum system, that on the Jag Mk2 was downright lousy and the original front discs on the Mini Cooper just fried themselves because they were too small. Without the self-servoing effect of drums many drivers found early discs needed to be worked very hard. The Citroen DS was the exception because it's high-pressure centralised hydraulic system was essentially one big servo, giving huge stopping power with a single squeeze of the brake button.

As for why they're used today - cheap, works well with mechancial handbrakes, and the stopping power of discs aren't needed on the back wheels of a low-performance hatchback. Not so much a problem these days but plenty of early all-disc cars had problems with the rear discs rusting up because they never worked hard enough.

AW111

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133 months

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2xChevrons said:
As said, they're simple and cheap to make in large numbers if we're talking about the motor industry pre-1960s - disc brakes were a technology that had to filter down from the aviation industry, and even then discs were far from universal. Drums were perfectly adequate for slow, light cars and the driving conditions of the time. The standard Mini and the Citroen 2CV were all-drum cars into the early 1980s while the Renault 4 made it into the late 80s before getting front discs.They were also much better-suited to being operated by mechanical (rod or cable) brake systems (vis: modern handbrakes) as found on most the majority of cars pre-1939. When hydraulic systems came into the picture it was easier to adapt the existing technology to use hydraulic operation.

Drums can also very easily be made 'self-servoing', where the friction lining of one or both of the shoes is 'grabbed' by the spinning drum as they come into contact and that energy forces the shoe harder against the drum, and so on. This is what produces the distinct 'biting' feel of twin-leading-shoe drum brakes on a classic car - press the pedal, nothing happens for a moment then you get braking force which runs ahead of the pedal movement. Not particularly progressive or controllable but a decent way of achieving extra stopping power.

A lot of the early disc brakes were pretty woeful - the much-vaunted 4-disc system on the Jaguar XK150 was little better than the older all-drum system, that on the Jag Mk2 was downright lousy and the original front discs on the Mini Cooper just fried themselves because they were too small. Without the self-servoing effect of drums many drivers found early discs needed to be worked very hard. The Citroen DS was the exception because it's high-pressure centralised hydraulic system was essentially one big servo, giving huge stopping power with a single squeeze of the brake button.

As for why they're used today - cheap, works well with mechancial handbrakes, and the stopping power of discs aren't needed on the back wheels of a low-performance hatchback. Not so much a problem these days but plenty of early all-disc cars had problems with the rear discs rusting up because they never worked hard enough.
Drums also allow a much greater friction area compared to disks. Most trucks still have drums.

The servo effect of twin (or 4) leading shoe front drums is very pronounced on a motorcycle.

ads_green

838 posts

232 months

Monday 16th April 2018
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I'll have a go...
Usual disclaimers - not an automotive engineer and E&OE...

How do brakes, er, "brake"

Braking is all about turning kinetic energy into heat.
The way brake pad material interacts with the disc is complicated and is worthy of a scientific branch all of it's own similar to that of tire dynamics.
However it is useful to look at the mechanics as three phases:

Cold


When pads and discs are cold the only way a brake can generate friction is by good 'ole fashioned surface to surface contact. Microscopic imperfections of both the pad and disc interlock as pressure is applied and generate a useful amount of friction and heat. As there are now two metallic based surfaces in direct contact you can also get squealing noises. This is especially apparent with "Sporty" braking systems containing more elaborate compounds (usually have something ceramic).
Whilst slowing the car down this isn't most effective or efficient use of the braking system. Things get more interesting once conventional surface friction generates some meaningful heat into the system.

Hot


With the brakes now hot, the material in the pads starts to become more "elastic"... to the point where small amounts of the pad material will jump to the disc surface. This reaction also generates heat which in turn can dramatically improve braking performance. The compounds in the pads can also stick to each other far easier than other materials further increasing the maximum friction available.
At this stage, the brakes will feel alive as the layer where the pad material is transferring creates a surface that responds well to pedal input whilst providing solid feedback to the driver.
One advantage of this process is that when the braking force is removed, pad material remains on the disc surface ready for the next brake application. With pad material pre-loaded on to the discs it takes considerably less time to return to operating conditions even if the brakes have cooled somewhat.

However, if the brakes are cold and then used overly aggressive, the direct surface contact can scrub this layer off and the whole process needs to start again.


Overheated


As the braking process is achieved through more of a chemical reaction than anything else, it is very sensitive to the operating temperatures encountered. Continual high speed application of the brakes can overwhelm the system's ability to expel the heat until a threshold point is reached causing the reaction to perform badly. Aside from the common and obvious side effect of boiling the brake fluid, high heat levels stop the pad material transferring properly and brake down the bonds to the point where the material no longer provides a good, consistent layer between disc and pad.



Brake sizing

With the pads interacting with the disc, the brakes use the wheels contact with the road to keep the disc turning generating heat, slowing the car.
So how much force can the brakes actually apply? It's a common misconception to say that "my brakes can lock the wheels at any speed so they are up to the job".
Pretty much any modern disc brake system should be able to grab and hold a wheel from turning - that is relatively easy. However if the disc isn't turning then the brakes are contribution a big fat zero to slowing the car. All the slowing down is achieved by the locked tires sliding over the road surface.
It varies between tire types, manufacturers, compounds but most road tires give peak traction when they slide a small amount (between 5%-15%) over the road. So for braking, the ideal is for the brakes to keep the wheel speed slightly slower than the vehicles' road speed. Operating at this edge of the envelope is what puts a large amount of heat into the brake system and can overwhelm undersized setups.

The pad material process discussed above works well based on two factors - one already covered is heat however another is pressure. It is possible to have the brake system press so hard on the pads that they effectively push through the material transfer layer and return to contact friction. Too little pressure doesn't get sufficient uniform contact between the pads and disc. As with most things there's a Goldilocks zone that's just right.

Brake rotors are essentially a simple lever - the bigger the disc, the further from the centre the pads operate then more force can be applied to the axle for a given amount of force. So being simplistic, if a disc is scaled up by 10% in diameter then the same amount of braking force applied to the disc by the pads will give about 10% more braking effort to the wheel. Similarly, the extra size of the disc can also mean the same braking force can be obtained with less pad pressure. By carefully manipulating the disc size the required level of braking can be achieved with the optimum pad pressure and size.

This is a problem for fast road cars however. As a mechanical system this careful consideration of component sizings only work for a specified and quite narrow range. If the car is on track it'll work flawlessly but when trapped in stop start commuter traffic it'll never go anywhere near it's optimum zone.
In these cases it is actually very easy to cause damage to the discs by under using them which would require replacement or re-skimming the rotor surface. It feels contrary to common sense that not using the brakes hard causes more wear and damage than using them in a spirited manner.
Consider a reasonably heavy, fast saloon car with a large brake package - VXR8 or RS4 for example.
The brakes fitted are monstrous in size - 365mm on the VXR8 and similar to what you would find on a Lamborghini.
From the above, this allows a large amount of braking force to be applied with a firm, consistent pressure on the pads... But what if you don't need threshold braking emergency stops? Then the sheer lever size of the rotor only requires a tiny amount of pressure between pad and disc to get normal day-to-day braking effort.
At a microscopic level, the disc is full of peaks and valleys and insufficient pad pressure results in only the peaks being in contact with the pad. The peaks starts to heat up and enters the pad material transfer process but the valleys do not. The peaks collect more and more pad material making them even more proud of the disc. The situation gets worse and worse until the effect can be felt through the brake pedal as vibration under braking with the assumption that the disc has warped.

For cars with big impressive brakes, a good rule of thumb is that if you don't need to slow down more than what you can achieve by downshifting then you don't need to use the brakes. If you do need to use them then don't feather or baby them.



Bradgate

2,823 posts

147 months

Monday 16th April 2018
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Thanks all for the explanations. It’s clearly simplistic to think discs=good vs drums=crap.