RE: Renault Megane RS Trophy: PH Trade-Off!

RE: Renault Megane RS Trophy: PH Trade-Off!

Sunday 2nd December

Renault Megane RS Trophy: PH Trade-Off!

What's that? You want a hot hatch that does everything the Megane Trophy can - but for half the cost? Hmm...



There's always a frisson of excitement about the PH office whenever there's a new, fast Renault about. Can you blame us? If there's one car every hot hatch has been measured against for the last few years, it's the Renault equivalent. And while the company's performance output has perhaps lost a sliver of its hardcore edge, it's still capable of producing some pretty enthralling machines - as the latest Megane proves.

That said, it didn't grab Matt P quite as hard as he would have hoped. "I like it, but for me it has become 'probably one of the best' in its class rather than 'just get that one'," he said in first drive last week of the new Megane Trophy. For better though it is, the new Trophy still doesn't quite recreate the magic of the old car. And at an estimated £32,000, there's some stiff competition to face - not least the Honda Civic Type-R and Hyundai i30 N.

But as you'll be aware, here in the Trade-Off corner of the office, we don't get to play with a £32,000 budget. No, we'll have to make do with just half that, which means, with £16,000, we've got to find you a used alternative to the Megane Trophy that'll do everything it can - and, if possible, more.


"Just get an old Megane, then," we hear you cry. And yes, that is one option. Certainly, the old Megane RS is still a car that few modern hot hatches can beat in terms of outright feel. For our budget, this 265 can be yours - a 2015 example with a reasonable 30k on the clock and finished rather menacingly in black. Trouble is, it's not a Trophy, and nor is it the 275, which means it lacks the outright power to really compete with its modern successor in terms of both outright performance and chassis sophistication - would it therefore be a fair fight? Maybe; maybe not.

So how about something with power to spare? Something like this BMW M135i. It's every bit as quick as the Megane Trophy, and laden with the potential for silly, rear-driven hooliganism. It's also a proper bargain - £16,000 for a rear-drive hot hatch with all that engine feels like peanuts to us, especially at just five years old. But as good as the M135i is, it perhaps lacks the same hardcore edge as the Trophy, and we feel sure we can find something even newer. Perhaps something that blends the new Megane's potency with the old one's value.

A Seat Leon Cupra should do the trick. Often overlooked in the pantheon of modern mega-hatches, the Leon Cupra is nevertheless a very good one, combining some of the best bits of the MQB-based hot hatch family - namely a VAQ front axle, adaptive suspension and a 300hp-ish version of the EA888 engine - into one handsome package.


Indeed, when we ran one as a long-termer back in 2015, we were rather sad to see it go. In its time with us, we put it up against several other hot hatches to test its mettle, and it acquitted itself well. Crucially, against the last Megane Trophy, it didn't win - but it did come extremely close. "Under all that electronic intervention," we discovered, "it's a very, very rapid car and one with hidden talents to reward the committed."

Ideally, we'd go for a Performance Pack car, but our budget simply won't stretch that far, so instead we'll have to settle for this standard 2015 example with just 22,000 miles on the clock. We use the word 'settle' loosely, though, for the Cupra's still a terrific machine - as quick as the new Trophy in the 0-62mph sprint, and while ultimately not quite as engaging, nevertheless just as capable of doing the Jekyll-and-Hyde thing any good modern hot hatch should. And yes, it's a three-door to the Megane's five - but perhaps that's not such a bad thing, the Leon SC bodyshell looking taut and neat, if a little too restrained for some. Is it more handsome than the five-door Megane? You might think that; these things being subjective, we couldn't possibly comment.

In any case, that you can now buy a three-year-old Leon with as much firepower as a modern Megane Trophy for half the cost is good news. Both of these cars lack the final level of fluency and involvement that the last Megane delivered, but as a trade-off for that deficiency, one of them will save you £16,000, and remarkably, give you better fuel economy and cheaper road tax as well. Sounds like the savvy option to us.



SPECIFICATION - RENAULT MEGANE R.S. TROPHY
Engine:
1798cc, 4 cyl turbo
Transmission: Six-speed manual
Power (hp): 300@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 295@2,400pm
0-62mph: 5.7sec
Top speed: 162mph
Weight: 1,494kg
MPG: 34.9mpg (NEDC combined)
CO2: 183g/km
Price £32,000 (approx)

SPECIFICATION - SEAT LEON CUPRA SC 280
Engine:
1,984cc 4-cyl turbo
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 280 @ 5,700rpm
Torque (lb ft): 258@1,750rpm
0-62mph: 5.8 sec
Top speed: 155mph
Weight: 1,395kg
MPG: 44.1 (NEDC combined)
CO2: 149g/km
Price: £15,997

Author
Discussion

nickfrog

Original Poster:

9,211 posts

153 months

Sunday 2nd December
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A 3 year old car for half the cost of a new one ? I never knew this could happen.

selym

6,351 posts

107 months

Sunday 2nd December
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nickfrog said:
A 3 year old car for half the cost of a new one ? I never knew this could happen.
Wait until you hear this - it'll really mess with your head .....

.....I've seen a one year old car for a quarter of the price of a new one, and a five year old car at four times the price of a new one. You can plot the graph.

E65Ross

21,524 posts

148 months

Sunday 2nd December
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selym said:
nickfrog said:
A 3 year old car for half the cost of a new one ? I never knew this could happen.
Wait until you hear this - it'll really mess with your head .....

.....I've seen a one year old car for a quarter of the price of a new one, and a five year old car at four times the price of a new one. You can plot the graph.
This will mess with your head even more....you can plot it on a scatter graph for every single car ever produced, and then work out if there's a general correlation. It'll be pretty much the same as what nickfrog says.....but you can plot that one wink

Roncee

47 posts

130 months

Sunday 2nd December
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30 seconds of my life i’m never going to get back again.
Come on guys do some proper articles, this is not something to be proud of.

Turbojuice

334 posts

25 months

Sunday 2nd December
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"it lacks the outright power to really compete with its modern successor in terms of both outright performance and chassis sophistication"

I don't understand. Every review i've seen says how the new rs megane doesn't drive as well as hoped, and how the old one is actually a better steer.

And the old 275 lacks the outright power? It's only 25hp down, so if you're really that bothered just remap it.

How you can put that Seat above the old megane beyond me. It terms of driving experience, it does not deserve to be mentioned alongside the Renault.

EDIT: The article makes out as if the Seat has 300hp but it turns out it has 280hp, unless you go over budget. So in this context choosing it over the old megane which has the same power give or take a few horses now makes zero sense.

Edited by Turbojuice on Sunday 2nd December 11:47

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kultsch88

77 posts

102 months

Sunday 2nd December
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Urhmm I just bought a 2 year old 275 Cup S for £16000. Seems like the logical choice.

slipstream 1985

6,049 posts

115 months

Sunday 2nd December
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Does the seat really do 44mpg combined? I mean book mpg for my 2.0 a4 diesel is 44mpg and I can only get 38mpg and that is being pretty careful. A road and B road commuting. If so I may as well trade it in and get the same mpg but much more potential on speed and fun.

AndrewGP

1,274 posts

98 months

Sunday 2nd December
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kultsch88 said:
Urhmm I just bought a 2 year old 275 Cup S for £16000. Seems like the logical choice.
Exactly what I thought would be the logical choice too when I read the article hehe

Especially when there's a very informative Evo video on YT comparing a Megane 265 with the Leon 280 on track at Bedford. Whilst Dickie Meaden said the Leon was more entertaining than other VAG cars, the Megane came out on top by some margin.

ZX10R NIN

12,283 posts

61 months

Sunday 2nd December
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So PH's recommendation for a car that costs half the price of a new Megane RS is a Leon Cupra, a car that was universally considered to not be a patch on the RS265/275 Meganes & yet here we are.

Turbojuice

334 posts

25 months

Sunday 2nd December
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ZX10R NIN said:
So PH's recommendation for a car that costs half the price of a new Megane RS is a Leon Cupra, a car that was universally considered to not be a patch on the RS265/275 Meganes & yet here we are.
Amazing, isn't it? Author says the old meg ticks all the boxes apart from power, so the leon gets the nod as you can get them with 300hp which matches the new megane trophy. But then the author notes the 300hp leon is out of budget so the 280hp model gets the nod which is as near as makes no difference the same as the 275 meg.

A very contradictory (and to be honest completely pointless) article.

g7jhp

5,793 posts

174 months

Sunday 2nd December
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No mention of a Golf R Mk7. At £18-20k thats where my money would go.

nickfrog

Original Poster:

9,211 posts

153 months

Sunday 2nd December
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Yes the Golf is great but perhaps not as track friendly if that's important.

greenarrow

1,449 posts

53 months

Sunday 2nd December
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Turbojuice said:
ZX10R NIN said:
So PH's recommendation for a car that costs half the price of a new Megane RS is a Leon Cupra, a car that was universally considered to not be a patch on the RS265/275 Meganes & yet here we are.
Amazing, isn't it? Author says the old meg ticks all the boxes apart from power, so the leon gets the nod as you can get them with 300hp which matches the new megane trophy. But then the author notes the 300hp leon is out of budget so the 280hp model gets the nod which is as near as makes no difference the same as the 275 meg.

A very contradictory (and to be honest completely pointless) article.
Yes I agree, makes more sense if its the Sub 8 Version or the facelifted 290 BHP model, both of which ran the Megane very close indeed (in the EVO group tests, these cars were usually either 0.1 slower or 0.1 faster than said 275 Cup/Trophy around the track).

BTW, the Cupra is quite a light car, so I reckon even the 280 will run the latest lardy Megane Trophy close in a straight line drag race.

madmatteo

169 posts

82 months

Monday 3rd December
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slipstream 1985 said:
Does the seat really do 44mpg combined? I mean book mpg for my 2.0 a4 diesel is 44mpg and I can only get 38mpg and that is being pretty careful. A road and B road commuting. If so I may as well trade it in and get the same mpg but much more potential on speed and fun.
You won't get 44mpg combined. However, I can confirm that the engine in the Leon (and Golf R etc) can be pretty economical. My lifetime average in my Leon 300 Estate is currently 33.5mpg (over 7,500 miles) and I don't drive it like miss daisy.

I find that on the daily grind at normal commuting speeds on A and B roads, over 30 mpg is easily achieved. If you drive flat out everywhere, the MPG will nose dive but that's true of most things.

You can definitely get into the high 30s on longer journeys but that does require taking it quite easy.