RE: Ford RS200 Evo: Pic of the Week

RE: Ford RS200 Evo: Pic of the Week

Sunday 13th January

Ford RS200 Evo: Pic of the Week

In amongst the Ferraris and Porsches at RM's Arizona sale is a little slice of Ford WRC history



Given the introduction of Group B regulations for the WRC are closer to 40 years old than 30, it says a lot about the calibre of cars and racing created that the era is so fondly remembered. Every motorsport fan will have their favourite car and driver combo, with hours still spent watching the prolific amount of historic footage available. 

The major manufacturers were involved to a degree that would never happen today. Ford was no different - indeed, while some Group B racers were at least vaguely recognisable against more prosaic road cars, the RS200 bore no resemblance to anything else under the blue oval badge. A 205 T16 looked absolutely bonkers, but could at least be identified as some kind of 205. The mid-engined RS200 must have seemed like a spaceship at a time the Sierra was deemed futuristic.


The RS200's bespoke nature and outrageous styling, combined with the fact that it never really got the chance to prove itself, bestows upon it special status amongst the homologation specials. No more so than in the 20 Evolution cars - of which this POTW subject is one - built with a larger 2.1-litre engine (the regular RS200 used a 1.8) as well as tougher suspension and brakes.

Although 20 were slated for production, 24 RS200 Evos were eventually built. This one was owned by Robert Sutherland (creator of the Colorado Grand Rally) originally, and has had only two owners since. It's being sold by RM Auctions next week at its Arizona sale, the car described as "ready to impress" with some recent mechanical work.

In the iconic Ford Works livery and with possibly the widest roof scoop ever known, the RS200 looks every inch the Group B outlaw. The estimate? $500-700,000. Likely to remain a dream for many, then, but what a reality should be in store for one fortunate bidder.

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redroadster

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835 posts

170 months

Sunday 13th January
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Fantastic motor from the great days off rallying .

Tickle

3,007 posts

142 months

Sunday 13th January
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GravelBen

13,571 posts

168 months

Sunday 13th January
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Wonderful madness cloud9

t1grm

4,540 posts

222 months

Sunday 13th January
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I think these were going for around 30K early 2000's. If only I'd bought one then...

gazza285

4,727 posts

146 months

Sunday 13th January
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Not related to any other Ford? What with its Sierra windscreen, cut down Sierra doors, and Sierra rear lights...
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zb

1,248 posts

102 months

Sunday 13th January
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They look ever better in the metal. Spoke to the owner of this a few years ago, inherited it from his Dad, who built it from spares!





Edit: Oh yeah, he races it too!

bloomen

2,031 posts

97 months

Sunday 13th January
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t1grm said:
I think these were going for around 30K early 2000's. If only I'd bought one then...
I bought one for an Italian mate for £33,000 at that sort of time. It had a 640 bhp engine but was a non evo. Another guy I came across while looking for one bought his for £19,000 from a desperate seller.

I seem to remember being offered a genuine evo for £70,000 ish in the mid 2000s.

I don't know how much of a premium an evo attracts but that seems like an ambitious price target to me, more than double some prices for the 'standard' ones these days.

Edited by bloomen on Sunday 13th January 19:22

rossub

2,014 posts

128 months

Sunday 13th January
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t1grm said:
I think these were going for around 30K early 2000's. If only I'd bought one then...
Maybe the ‘run of the mill’ RS, but unlikely the Evo.

BigChiefmuffinAgain

82 posts

36 months

Sunday 13th January
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My dad had one, the last one built. Not an Evo but had the boost turned up a bit. He sent it to Tickfords to smarten up the interior ( a bit ). He loved it but it was the type of car you really needed to concentrate to drive.
Was a real bugger to sell 10 years ago when he sadly passed on. Times have changed. Maybe.

CanAm

3,832 posts

210 months

Monday 14th January
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zb said:
They look ever better in the metal. Spoke to the owner of this a few years ago, inherited it from his Dad, who built it from spares!
Like the Johnny Cash song, One Piece at a Time??

matt_knowles

324 posts

151 months

Monday 14th January
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For nostalgic reasons, this is one of my top 5 all time cars.

I remember as a kid staring at one for ages in a showroom in Harrogate (Harrogate Horseless Carriages for anyone who knows it). At that time it eclipsed any other car for me.

I never got to see any Group B but I went to see these blasting around croft rally cross track along with the 6R4 back in the day, what a sight and experience that was. I believe many motors moved into RC after the demise of Group B.......correct me if I am wrong.

cybersimon

192 posts

107 months

Monday 14th January
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gazza285 said:
Not related to any other Ford? What with its Sierra windscreen, cut down Sierra doors, and Sierra rear lights...
Well you live and learn, apparently the RS200 is really just a breathed-on Sierra.

fathomfive

8,936 posts

128 months

Monday 14th January
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One of my all time favourite cars from one of the great eras of motorsport madness

e30ftw

1 posts

1 month

Monday 14th January
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gazza285 said:
Not related to any other Ford? What with its Sierra windscreen, cut down Sierra doors, and Sierra rear lights...
Yes it used common ford switchgear of the time too, why wouldnt it? Obviously a very different beast to a Sierra


You used to be able to buy a Kit car replica, using many parts from a sierra, powered by a YB and only RWD, i think they used a Renault gearbox, possibly renault 21?

aeropilot

17,031 posts

165 months

Monday 14th January
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I'm struggling with the OP remark about it being a little slice of Ford WRC history, given Ford never used a RS200E in the WRC........whistle


AAGR

728 posts

99 months

Monday 14th January
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Just to clarify the half-truths stated above:

  • Ford never built a single so-called 'RS200 Evo'. Production of the original cars ended at VIN No. 200, and all those cars were originally 1.8-litre types.
  • In the meantime, Brian Hart Ltd had completed the design of a 2.1-litre derivative of the engine, which was called BDT-E, ready for use in the so-called 20-off RS 200 Evolutions which Ford planned for 1987 (which would have been rebuilds of new/so-far-unsold 1.8-litre cars. The cancellation of Group B killed off that strategy, Hart was paid off (and handsomely ....) for the work he had done, and he then sold off the 2.1-litre engines, unit by unit, to private owners, mainly for use in rallycross where Group B no longer applied.
  • Any so-called 'RS200 Evolution' cars which are described, and/or come up for sale, were privately built/developed - but not by the factory.
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Tyronnster

7 posts

8 months

Monday 14th January
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CanAm said:
Like the Johnny Cash song, One Piece at a Time??
Quality tune lol

deltashad

6,628 posts

135 months

Monday 14th January
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cybersimon said:
Well you live and learn, apparently the RS200 is really just a breathed-on Sierra.
In all honesty it probably shares as many parts with a Sierra as the Delta S4 did with a Delta.

Johnnytheboy

17,265 posts

124 months

Monday 14th January
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AAGR said:
Just to clarify the half-truths stated above:

  • Ford never built a single so-called 'RS200 Evo'. Production of the original cars ended at VIN No. 200, and all those cars were originally 1.8-litre types.
  • In the meantime, Brian Hart Ltd had completed the design of a 2.1-litre derivative of the engine, which was called BDT-E, ready for use in the so-called 20-off RS 200 Evolutions which Ford planned for 1987 (which would have been rebuilds of new/so-far-unsold 1.8-litre cars. The cancellation of Group B killed off that strategy, Hart was paid off (and handsomely ....) for the work he had done, and he then sold off the 2.1-litre engines, unit by unit, to private owners, mainly for use in rallycross where Group B no longer applied.
  • Any so-called 'RS200 Evolution' cars which are described, and/or come up for sale, were privately built/developed - but not by the factory.
scratchchin

So the provenance of this one is a little less clear cut then....

Pumpsmynads

69 posts

94 months

Monday 14th January
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The rosetints are strong with this one.