Most active speed cameras top ten

[saaby93]

Most Active Speed Camera Locations - 2018

1. Avon and Somerset, M32, Severn Beach rail line overbridge to end of M32 southbound, 22,350 total recorded offence
2. Avon and Somerset, M4, J20-19 Eastbound, 7,483
3. North Wales Police, A55 Abergele (Westbound), Conwy, 6,981
4. Avon and Somerset, Lansdown Ln, nr jct Eastfield Ave, Bath, 5,896
5. Kent Police, A282 Dartford Tunnel Approach, East/West Tunnel, 4,936
6. Avon and Somerset, M5, J17-16 Northbound, 4,710
7. Bedfordshire Police, M1 Motorway, 4,675
8. Police Scotland, A90 Average Speed from Dundee to Stonehaven, 4,417
9. Kent Police, M20 Coast/Londonbound Junctions 4-7, 4,247
10. Merseyside Police, M62 (Westbound), 4,243

Anyone know the speed limits at these locations?
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1032156/...
Or the collision rates?

[MrBig]

Quick mental maths suggest thats about £7m in fines at £100 a pop. Not a bad investment.... I need to have a word with my hedge fund manager

[tigamilla]

I'm surprised that there's nothing from the several dozen cameras dotted around the M25, then again - its not often that traffic would let you break any limits...

[saaby93]

First one is 40mph
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?s=c133585b7eaa...

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/40...

36 points for being caught 12 times
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/m3...
Cant they treat it as one offence?

comment said:

Obviously this is just persecution. There is no reason for the limit to be so low and clearly it has not been signposted adequately. That seems to be the M.O now. Set an absurdly low limit to catch as many out as possible. Speeding fines have now become just an extraneous form of taxation, nothing whatsoever to do with road safety.

[Haltamer]

I'd hazard that with such a high rate of offences, the speed limit may be inappropriately low? Something something 85th percentile.

A quick search yields... https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/40...

[Pica-Pica]

No.10 The M62 Westbound is 50 mph, if it is the one as you approach the Liverpool end of the M62. That is a perfectly acceptable speed and location.

Previously, there was a single 60 limit sign further along and then a 40 sign. At that point there is a tight bend and then traffic lights as the M62 comes to an abrupt halt. The camera used to be after the 40mph sign. At that time people were not slowing down enough, and came off the road, at the bend into the Liverpool Naval club house, with fatalities. That is my recollection. That used to be one of, if not the highest captured speeding points in the country. Clearly that was not enough to prevent those incidents. Now, the 40 limit is still there, but prior to that is a 50 limit with very prominent 300, 200, and 100 ///, //, / countdown markers, then a 100 or 200 yard gap to the camera that serves the 50 limit. That set up is a vast improvement, adequate signage to come down from 70 (or even 80) to 50, just by lifting off.[url]

Knowing the previous history, and the current set up, that is a fair and justified limit, with adequate warning. The 50 mph countdowns.

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At this point you are cresting the hill in that 50mph limit. Ahead you can just see the end of motorway with a 40 mph speed limit sign, you may also see the bend to the right and in the distance the direction signs (green background). That is where you come to a full stop at traffic lights. There are also frequent tailbacks there.

Edited by Pica-Pica on Friday 1st March 16:13

[Saleen836]

No.4 Landown Lane, Bath is a 20mph limit
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4016596,-2.3958036...

[saaby93]

Pica-Pica said:

Knowing the previous history, and the current set up, that is a fair and justified limit, with adequate warning. The 50 mph countdowns.

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Surprised there isnt a 50 sign on the Armco and roundels on the road - youd miss it with a truck there

[saaby93]

Saleen836 said:

No.4 Landown Lane, Bath is a 20mph limit
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4016596,-2.3958036...

How would you know it's a 20? Or is it enforced as a 30
Clever siting of the camera and that lampost

[Saleen836]

saaby93 said:

Saleen836 said:

No.4 Landown Lane, Bath is a 20mph limit
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4016596,-2.3958036...

How would you know it's a 20? Or is it enforced as a 30
Clever siting of the camera and that lampost

Further back up the road...

[juice]

saaby93 said:

Saleen836 said:

No.4 Landown Lane, Bath is a 20mph limit
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4016596,-2.3958036...

How would you know it's a 20? Or is it enforced as a 30
Clever siting of the camera and that lampost

It's by a school, and of course there's this.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/dec/22/tw...

Seems appropriate to me

[Pica-Pica]

saaby93 said:

Pica-Pica said:

Knowing the previous history, and the current set up, that is a fair and justified limit, with adequate warning. The 50 mph countdowns.

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Surprised there isnt a 50 sign on the Armco and roundels on the road - youd miss it with a truck there

No, no way would you miss three countdown markers, and the 50 limit itself, unless wilfully. The gantry signs are used during congestion. Thinking about it, I would ha add a guess that the listing was made sometime between the old set up and this new set up. The old one was, as I said, the previous highest in the country, and to me the new one would seem very low ‘victim’ capture .

My previous comments are supported by this article, especially this paragraph.

‘The M62 at Broad Green has been a crash hotspot in the past but Mr Foulkes said numbers have reduced since a 50mph speed limit was introduced.

He said: “It was previously a stretch of 70mph that went to 40mph at a double bend.

“A 50mph buffer zone was put in and a camera in place to police the 50mph speed limit.’

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-new...

Another persons comment on Pepipoo forums

“I've been on that very section of road today. The 50mph limit is signposted by 300, 200 and 100 yard/metre countdown signs. This is then followed by the 50mph sign. This sign is then followed by a camera warning sign with a 50 marker on it approximately 100 yards before the camera. I reckon that this must be about the best signposted camera in the UK!”

Edited by Pica-Pica on Friday 1st March 17:15

[saaby93]

juice said:

It's by a school, and of course there's this.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/dec/22/tw...
Seems appropriate to me

How come?
You don't install a speed limit below standard just due to some idiot having an accident unrelated to the limit

Has PH forgotten the rules for setting speed limits?

[juice]

saaby93 said:

How come?
You don't install a speed limit below standard just due to some idiot having an accident unrelated to the limit

Has PH forgotten the rules for setting speed limits?

You missed the bit about it being right by a school ?

[alfie2244]

saaby93 said:

Saleen836 said:

No.4 Landown Lane, Bath is a 20mph limit
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4016596,-2.3958036...

How would you know it's a 20? Or is it enforced as a 30
Clever siting of the camera and that lampost

Yep.............26mph for me............ or it could have been my wife but I did the awareness course.

[alfie2244]

juice said:

It's by a school, and of course there's this.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/dec/22/tw...

Seems appropriate to me

It is more to do with the very bad lorry accident that this camera would not have stopped happening.

ETA what they should be enforcing is the ban on HGV's that still use this as a cut through on a very regular basis and with impunity.

Edited by alfie2244 on Friday 1st March 17:13

[saaby93]

juice said:

saaby93 said:

How come?
You don't install a speed limit below standard just due to some idiot having an accident unrelated to the limit

Has PH forgotten the rules for setting speed limits?

You missed the bit about it being right by a school ?

Nope covered it with - has PH forgotten the rules for setting speed limits
If it needs it, you can have a 20 limit at school opening closing times
For an all day 20 it'll be a street whose use is primarily residential
That looks like a road that's a route primarily into and out of town .

The number of people being caught by the speed camera is a clue whether they have it right

[Pica-Pica]

alfie2244 said:

saaby93 said:

Saleen836 said:

No.4 Landown Lane, Bath is a 20mph limit
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4016596,-2.3958036...

How would you know it's a 20? Or is it enforced as a 30
Clever siting of the camera and that lampost

Yep.............26mph for me............ or it could have been my wife but I did the awareness course.

Do they not do an Awareness Course for helping you identify who is and who is not your wife, then?

[juice]

saaby93 said:

Nope covered it with - has PH forgotten the rules for setting speed limits
If it needs it, you can have a 20 limit at school opening closing times
For an all day 20 it'll be a street whose use is primarily residential
That looks like a road that's a route primarily into and out of town .

The number of people being caught by the speed camera is a clue whether they have it right

Do you live locally to the area ?

I do and I completely understand why it's a 20. Its a residential area, with a road that people use to cut out going through Bath, they use it to go through Lansdown and thence, onto the M4. Coming down that hill, you're already into a built up area, with a roundabout at the bottom.
I'm not sure why you're arguing it should be more than a 20 tbh unless you're being deliberately contrarian.

I'm all for speed, I live in the Mendips and frequently go out for a hoon, but I'm fully aware of where is safe, and where is not to speed and Lansdown/Weston isn't the place for it.

[alfie2244]

Pica-Pica said:

Do they not do an Awareness Course for helping you identify who is and who is not your wife, then?

Sorry but is that a joke of some kind?