RE: Jaguar Land Rover recalls 44,000 cars

RE: Jaguar Land Rover recalls 44,000 cars

Thursday 14th March

Jaguar Land Rover recalls 44,000 cars

'Excessive' CO2 emissions at the root of problem with 2.0-litre engines



Jaguar Land Rover is recalling 44,000 cars after it was found that they 'may emit excessive levels of CO2' by the UK Vehicle Certification Agency. The models affected use 2.0-litre petrol and diesel engines, specifically 10 variants that slot into Jaguar's E-Pace, F-Pace, F-Type, XE and XF ranges, as well as Land Rover's Discovery, Discovery Sport, Range Sport Sport, Evoque and Velar.

In an official statement provided to PH, JLR said: "Jaguar Land Rover is conducting a voluntary recall following the identification of CO2 performance variability with certain Jaguar and Land Rover vehicles fitted with 2.0-litre diesel or petrol engines. Affected vehicles will be repaired free of charge and every effort will be made to minimise inconvenience to the customer during the short time required for the work to be carried out."


JLR is yet to reveal why some models exceed CO2 limits; the 2.0-litre petrol and diesel motors were understood to officially conform with the latest emissions limits when they were introduced as part of the Ingenium line-up that arrived in 2015. The most exciting version of JLR's 2.0-litre range produces 300hp in the F-Type P300 - although we're yet to learn whether that specific variant is included in the recall.

While today's announcement is far from the largest recall the industry has seen in recent years, the cost of carrying out work on 44,000 cars will come as a blow to the brand. Especially given that JLR has rolled out major cash-cutting measures in a bid to save £2.5 billion, as it faces a "perfect storm" of challenges, including dwindling diesel demand, slowed China sales and the export/import uncertainty caused by Brexit.



 

 

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Dr G

Original Poster:

13,536 posts

181 months

Thursday 14th March
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...and Fiat Chrysler.

Won't be the last, either.

blue al

86 posts

98 months

Thursday 14th March
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I'd love to know how the 44,000 cars number was arrived at if no one at JLR will confirm which variants of the 2.00 Ltr engine are effected

I'd also like to know what the performance difference is on the road if my car is reflashed to comply with some new "target emissions"

Could it be that I don't want my car "improved" after hearing some VW horror stories...?

st4

1,359 posts

72 months

Thursday 14th March
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Yet another stink around diesel engines.

had ham

3,470 posts

122 months

Thursday 14th March
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It's Petrol and Diesel you muppet. At least read the article, eh?

Martin_Hx

3,716 posts

137 months

Thursday 14th March
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st4 said:
Yet another stink around diesel engines.
I read this today

"Affected models include, some 2.0-litre 2016 to 2018 Land Rover Discovery and Discovery Sport models; certain two litre Range Rover Evoque, Sport, and Velar cars; and Jaguar E-Pace, F-Pace, F-Type, XE and XF cars. Most affected models are petrol, while some are diesel."
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ian_cab28

183 posts

156 months

Thursday 14th March
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Yet another self-induced own goal for JLR , software and calibration not a strong suit for JLR ( see issues with the zf 8 speed box praised so highly elsewhere and all the issues with in car tech) . People should walk for this , too much pressure on meeting virtual milestones and not enough on underlying engineering quality .

David87

5,132 posts

151 months

Thursday 14th March
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Presume this just affects the later 2.0-litre petrol Ingenium engines rather than the Ford lump that was used priorly.

Zoon

3,640 posts

60 months

Thursday 14th March
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David87 said:
Presume this just affects the later 2.0-litre petrol Ingenium engines rather than the Ford lump that was used priorly.
Petrol and diesel ingenium 2.0 engines manufactured between late 2015 and 2019.

indapendentlee

277 posts

38 months

Thursday 14th March
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Absolutely incredible that they have managed to spin an emissions scandal into a mere recall! Bravo JLR PR team, I guess PH and the UK auto media don't want to twist the knife given current difficulties JLR find themselves in...

Sford

101 posts

89 months

Thursday 14th March
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I wonder how many car sales were made over the period and how it maps onto the engines specced. I mean, I thought they made a lot of 2ltr diesel engines for those cars and the petrol ones less so but the article is reporting on mostly petrol being affected.

NickGibbs

766 posts

170 months

Thursday 14th March
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Not sure how petrol got in there. Rapex (Europe recall alert system) is only reporting diesel

https://ec.europa.eu/consumers/consumers_safety/sa...

st4

1,359 posts

72 months

Thursday 14th March
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NickGibbs said:
Not sure how petrol got in there. Rapex (Europe recall alert system) is only reporting diesel

https://ec.europa.eu/consumers/consumers_safety/sa...
Dirty diesel - the final nail in the coffin biggrin

NickGibbs

766 posts

170 months

Thursday 14th March
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bit more here, eg it was the VCA that discovered "excessive" CO2. Suspect there's more to come on this. What's the European figure for example?

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/jaguar-land...

crosseyedlion

1,697 posts

137 months

Thursday 14th March
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ian_cab28 said:
Yet another self-induced own goal for JLR , software and calibration not a strong suit for JLR ( see issues with the zf 8 speed box praised so highly elsewhere and all the issues with in car tech) . People should walk for this , too much pressure on meeting virtual milestones and not enough on underlying engineering quality .
Took the words right out of my mouth. Although they'll no doubt blame Brexit and the Chinese downturn on it somehow.

Jimmy Recard

15,395 posts

118 months

Thursday 14th March
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indapendentlee said:
Absolutely incredible that they have managed to spin an emissions scandal into a mere recall! Bravo JLR PR team, I guess PH and the UK auto media don't want to twist the knife given current difficulties JLR find themselves in...
Surely it's just as much a fuel economy scandal, on that basis?

CO2 emissions are directly linked to fuel consumption. I wonder if these cars must just be so far off their claimed fuel consumption that JLR is giving them a new map

buggalugs

8,469 posts

176 months

Thursday 14th March
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indapendentlee said:
Absolutely incredible that they have managed to spin an emissions scandal into a mere recall! Bravo JLR PR team, I guess PH and the UK auto media don't want to twist the knife given current difficulties JLR find themselves in...
A recall is what they're supposed to do. Criminal behaviour to cover it up like VW would be a scandal.

MrGTI6

1,060 posts

69 months

Thursday 14th March
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st4 said:
Yet another stink around diesel engines.
Pistonheads said:
The models affected use 2.0-litre petrol and diesel engines
Try reading the article...

2smoke

74 posts

50 months

Thursday 14th March
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ian_cab28 said:
Yet another self-induced own goal for JLR , software and calibration not a strong suit for JLR ( see issues with the zf 8 speed box praised so highly elsewhere and all the issues with in car tech) . People should walk for this , too much pressure on meeting virtual milestones and not enough on underlying engineering quality .
I'm guessing from your last six comments you aren't a JLR fan? Me either to be honest and if it is true that JLR were playing the emissions cheat game like the Germans, then this is despicable behaviour. However, I just find this news disappointing. Like them or loathe them JLR are still a British brand, albeit under foreign ownership, and as a Brit I want our brands to succeed and help our economy to grow. I hope they can resolve this issue without too much pain for existing owners and that the brand can eventually return to strength.

blue al

86 posts

98 months

Thursday 14th March
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From my own very narrow personal perspective....
I'm in the clear with my jaguar oil burner, it seems only petrol version in my model range are under recall

Dear Mr Blue Al

Jaguar is conducting an Emissions Recall following the identification of CO2 performance variability with certain 2018 Model Year Jaguar E PACE vehicles fitted with 2.0L petrol engines.

Affected vehicles do not consistently achieve the expected levels of CO2 emissions during the course of Conformity of Production (CoP) testing and as such are being rectified to ensure the correct CO2 performance is dependably achieved.

The modifications made to affected vehicles will be made free of charge and every effort will be made to minimise any inconvenience that may be caused during the short time required for the work to be carried out.

All owners of potentially affected vehicles will shortly receive a letter in the post inviting them to contact a Jaguar Land Rover authorised repairer for the work to be carried out.

I apologise for any inconvenience that this may cause. If I can be of any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact me as I would be more than happy to help where possible.

Yours sincerely,....a person within the JLR organisation ...Gdpr...

I'm thankful for a quick and concise response

Kierkegaard

1,197 posts

37 months

Thursday 14th March
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You could make some cliched joke that because all these models would have been in the workshop anyway for some other unrelated quality niggle, they could have kept this quiet and sorted it then.

But I'm better than that, so I won't.