ULEZ Confusion

[SebastienClement]

Is there, or is there not, a maximum age on vehicles for the ULEZ zone coming into force this year?

I've used the online checker with both my vehicles and these are the following results:

2004 (04) Rover 75 2.5v6 Petrol - Not compliant.

2001 (Y - Reg) Rover 75 2.5v6 Petrol - Compliant.

Both cars have the same engine and the same gearboxes, however the former is approx 200kg heavier due to being a long wheel base car. The online checked has a disclaimer that it may not be correct.

I have a feeling neither car is compliant?

[Pica-Pica]

The only thing I can think of was that Euro 4 became mandatory for all new cars in 2005 and light vans in 2006. So cars before that could not be assessed. Any car later that was later than 2004, but DID NOT HAVE Euro 4 falls foul.

[SebastienClement]

Both vehicles show Euro4 when checked online :/

[anonymous-user]

TFL have been improving their database, my car originally was non-compliant despite having Euro 4 on the vehicle rating plate.

Rechecked and now it is compliant according to their system..

[mannyo]

As I expected, my 2003 Volvo diesel is not compliant, but oddly my 2004 Audi A8 3.7 V8 Quattro shows as compliant. Is the 3.7 a true euro 4 engine, or is there is quirk in the system somewhere I wonder.

[AC43]

My 2005 E500 was compliant as is my current 2010 one. The 2010 diesels aren't. You need a E5 or 6 diesel to equate to a petrol.

I guess the the earlier petrol was E4 and the one I have is E5.

EDIT - not making myself clear. As I understand if Euro IV or abouve petrols are fine but you need a minimum Euro VI diesel. The earlier diesels put out huge ammounts of NOx all the way up to Euro V and a lot of them were also verya bad for particulates. Hence the purge.

Edited by AC43 on Sunday 31st March 12:15

[HTP99]

My daughters 03 Micra is compliant, according to the AA and the dates given for Euro compliance, her car is Euro 3.

[NomduJour]

HTP99 said:

My daughters 03 Micra is compliant, according to the AA and the dates given for Euro compliance, her car is Euro 3.

In which case, it isn’t compliant.

[HTP99]

NomduJour said:

HTP99 said:

My daughters 03 Micra is compliant, according to the AA and the dates given for Euro compliance, her car is Euro 3.

In which case, it isn’t compliant.

Sorry I should have been clearer.

It shows it is compliant on the ULEZ website.

According the AA it falls into the Euro 3 bracket.

[NomduJour]

If it isn’t Euro 4, it isn’t compliant.

[Chris1255]

03 Rover 25 1.4 shows as compliant on the ULEZ site despite being listed as Euro 3 elsewhere. As they carried on being registered with the same engine/software after Euro 4 was mandatory they presumably meet the standard.

I'm guessing that some databases only show cars as being Euro 4 after the legal cut off date despite manufacturers having adopted the standard earlier than they were required to?

[motco]

mannyo said:

As I expected, my 2003 Volvo diesel is not compliant, but oddly my 2004 Audi A8 3.7 V8 Quattro shows as compliant. Is the 3.7 a true euro 4 engine, or is there is quirk in the system somewhere I wonder.

My son's RS4 56 plate is compliant. Big stinking 4.2 litre V8 is clean! My 2.2 litre Euro4 diesel is not. Nuts!

[NomduJour]

The TfL database has definitely been updated - I’ve got something which met Euro 4 before it was a requirement, previously listed as non-compliant but now showing as compliant.

[spookly]

motco said:

mannyo said:

As I expected, my 2003 Volvo diesel is not compliant, but oddly my 2004 Audi A8 3.7 V8 Quattro shows as compliant. Is the 3.7 a true euro 4 engine, or is there is quirk in the system somewhere I wonder.

My son's RS4 56 plate is compliant. Big stinking 4.2 litre V8 is clean! My 2.2 litre Euro4 diesel is not. Nuts!

That isn't nuts. It isn't about fuel economy or co2, it's about the sooty particulates that diesels are famous for. I don't go into London so frequently these days, but when I do it is noticeable just how poor the air quality is.

[Pica-Pica]

AC43 said:

My 2005 E500 was compliant as is my current 2010 one. The 2010 diesels aren't. You need a E5 or 6 diesel to equate to a petrol.

I guess the the earlier petrol was E4 and the one I have is E5.

EDIT - not making myself clear. As I understand if Euro IV or abouve petrols are fine but you need a minimum Euro VI diesel. The earlier diesels put out huge ammounts of NOx all the way up to Euro V and a lot of them were also verya bad for particulates. Hence the purge.

Edited by AC43 on Sunday 31st March 12:15

Euro IV and Euro VI are heavy commercial vehicle emission standards.
Euro 4 and Euro 6 are the correct notation for passenger and light commercial vehicles.

[r44flyer]

I have a Jaguar S-Type R, first registered January 2006. It is the cleaner of the two engines installed in the R over time, emitting 294g of CO2 compared to 315g, and is comfortably inside the emissions limits imposed by Euro 4 according to the data on the V5.

As far as I am aware Euro 4 standards were imposed in 2005 and by January 2006 all new car registrations were required to meet that standard, which my car does.

The TfL website says it is compliant (It is Birmingham that interests me but it will be a carbon copy... ba-dum-tsh). It also says that enforcement will be based on the declared emissions of the vehicle not the age.

However, Jaguar have told me that my car is a Euro 3. Depending on which website I look at I get different answers also.

So... how to play it? Assume that what TfL says is fact and carry on driving it up to and beyond D-Day without a care in the world? By the time the first fine hits the doormat it might be the first of a fortnights worth to come through and I'll be hundreds in the hole.

Or, sell my car in advance to avoid all this... possibly unnecessarily?! Why is there nothing definitive that doesn't have a caveat?