RE: Shed of the Week | Alfa Romeo 164 V6 Lusso

RE: Shed of the Week | Alfa Romeo 164 V6 Lusso

Friday 2nd August 2019

Shed of the Week | Alfa Romeo 164 V6 Lusso

Yes, there are still 164s in Shed's meagre budget, and Busso-engined 164s at that...



Deadpan comic Steven Wright is well known for his pithy one-liners. Here's one. 'I intend to live forever. So far, so good.' OK, strictly speaking that's two lines, but who's known for their pithy two-liners?

Anyway, the reason for quoting that is so that we can ask you this question: if you could re-buy any one of the cars you've owned in your life and then somehow make it live forever, which one would it be?

The idea of making an Alfa Romeo live forever might seem alien to some. Or indeed many. Not because Alfas aren't worthy of the immortality treatment: far from it. More because Alfa immortality seems such an unlikely prospect, given the reputation they have for doing the exact opposite of living forever.

That reputation is often shown to be unjustified. This week's Shed of the Week is a perfect example. According to legend, a 1993 Alfa should be something you'd want to walk away from at high speed. Running, Shed thinks it's called. Especially when the 1993 Alfa in question is purporting to be a genuine classic for less than £1,500.


And yet here it is, a solid-looking and smart 164 that's fully MOT'd up, that's had all the right work done by an enthusiast owner, and that -?can it be true? - has a Busso 3.0 V6 lurking under its bonnet. Shed can't say for sure that a 3.0 164 has never appeared in SOTW, but he is quite positive that there hasn't been one for the last seven years. Nor is he one for overstatement, but he will say that in the list of best-sounding six-cylinder engines, the Busso six is right up there.

Not only does this motor sound epic, it looks stoating too, although maybe not so much in this case. The next owner might want to invest a bit of time and effort into restoring both the plenum and cylinder head cover to their former glory. At least the iconic chromed inlet pipes still have a nice sparkle about them.

Forget all that for a minute. It's a Busso for heaven's sake, and a low miler at that. The even better news is that not only is it a Busso, it's a Lusso. This is the spec of choice for discerning Alfisti, bringing with it a healthy dose of Italian leather and a sunshine roof to let even more of that delicious din in.


Pininfarina drew up the 164 executive saloon as a hot Latin antidote to the cold Teutonic sterility of mid-1980s German tackle like the BMW 5 Series and Mercedes W124. Unfortunately for Alfa, motorists quite liked cold Teutonic sterility, to the extent that many potential 164 buyers preferred to wait a year for the E34 Five to come out rather than buy a 164 a year earlier in 1987. As such the 164 was not a roaring sales success, assuming you define a quarter of a million sold in an 11-year lifecycle as not roaring.

Today we see the 164 as a cruelly neglected classic fully deserving of our attention and adoration. The V6 was a bit heavier up front than the 2.0 Twin Spark 164s. Alfa tried to even up the front/rear distribution by relocating the battery in the back, but even so they were forced to admit after extensive in-house testing that there was a 25% higher chance of skidding in a 3.0 than there was in a 2.0. A disappointing result, but it must have been fun getting it.

There must be a catch with this car, surely. Not really. Well, yes, the c-word is mentioned on the MOT. Whenever Shed sees the phrase 'within 30cm of a mounting' on an MOT certificate, he always gets a vision of his gravestone epitaph. On this Alfa's MOT certificate from last November, the phrase was used to describe the approximate location of some corrosion to the nearside rear. Despite galvanisation, crumbly Alfa floorpans are about as common as nuts in May. The underseal will often fail at the joint between the floorpan and the sills, allowing Mr Rust to gain full access to the floorpan edges. Although the tester wasn't specific, the problem on this car could be in the vicinity of the rear seatbelt anchorage point or in the rear trailing arm mount area, where holes from the seam to the wheel arch can appear. The jacking points eventually rot too.


In the case of our SOTW none of this metallurgical malarkey has so far amounted to a fail, just an advisory, so with appropriate fettling there should be plenty of life in the old girl yet. Fettling in this case involving welding up. This is not an easy job, and experts recommend having a fire extinguisher handy when you're putting heat anywhere near the box section under the back seat, but surely it's worth the risk of personal immolation if the prize is another Busso 164 kept on the road.

Anything else? See that tea-plantation-terrace of Thunderbird-style buttons on the centre console? They are there to control wiring and ventilation systems whose complexity and fragility fuel many a lively fireside chat at Alfa Owners Club meetings.

Even so, look at it. If this car doesn't get snapped up quicker than a chicken leg in a piranha-infested river Shed will hit himself in the face with a fresh halibut, that being one of the longest-living fish and therefore the most appropriate one for this story. Also, halibut are delicious. You've got to supply it though, because they're also expensive. Unlike this sumptuous Alfa.


Here's the ad.




Author
Discussion

sidewinder500

Original Poster:

1,161 posts

95 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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Nice!
Even manual, even nicer!

Shed's on form

MadDog1962

891 posts

163 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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Fair play, this looks like quite a good find. I like it a lot.

If anything needs doing it's going to be expensive though.

itcaptainslow

3,704 posts

137 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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That seems rather cheap for what you get. Mind, even if you only get a year out of it...

Dale487

1,335 posts

124 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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If Carlsberg did SOTW. Quite possibly the best one ever.

Mr E

21,635 posts

260 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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Yum

Pinkie15

1,248 posts

81 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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Painful reminder of the 'one that got away'

Why didn't I buy the neighbours fully loaded one in red (what else) with every option, including rear blinds, in '99




(oh yeah the bank were the verge of making me bankrupt)

SCEtoAUX

4,119 posts

82 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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Gorgeous.

dandare

957 posts

255 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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Lovely shed.
I had a 1992 2.0 ts and it was very reliable, fast and comfortable. I drove it for a couple of years without any problems. Nice safe and predictable handling. Great engine. Also not a sign of rust, in fact I still see it driving about and I sold it about 10 years ago.
Whenever anyone mentions Alfa poor reliability, I relate my own experience. Much more special than a VW of the era, which would have been more than double the price, and incredibly boring.
I also rode in a v6 in Italy in 1987, I had never seem one before and it struck me as a very special car, At the time.I felt like a mafia boss.

If I had the space, I would buy it, but the other half wouldn't get my enthusiasm.

MJK 24

5,648 posts

237 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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Bella macchina!!

Lotusgone

1,198 posts

128 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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If I didn't already have a GTV V6, this would be for serious consideration as a weekender. Shed of the year?

Cambs_Stuart

2,891 posts

85 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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What a fantastic find. Someone please buy this and start a reader car thread. Does spinakerr need another?

stuckmojo

2,984 posts

189 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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Worth buying to salvage the engine and return the rest to earth.

sinbaddio

2,375 posts

177 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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That is absolutely wonderful!

Yertis

18,072 posts

267 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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I spent a lot of time riding around in my then-boss's 164 T.Spark then V6 in the early 1990s. My principle memories are the lovely smell of the leather, and the occasion when the T.Spark burned its belts on the M4. "We're making a lot of black smoke", I warned the boss as we passed J17.
"Better slow down" he murmured, refusing speed to about 80.
We didn't make it past J18 and the engine was toast. He got a 164 V6 (Super?) next but I never really warmed to it, and I don't think he did either.


Richard-390a0

2,260 posts

92 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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This is been a fantastic year for SOTW, although this will be hard to top for the remaining months. Keep it up shed!!!

snowman2174

4 posts

138 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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There are only 6 in this spec on the road currently in the Uk! That's got to make you feel special owning it???

Offer a grand, snap it up for best price and enjoy.

Twoshoe

858 posts

185 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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Wow, great shed! I had 5 of these back in the day (none still running, sadly - just checked!) and probably totalled about 300,000 miles in them, bombing around the UK. Other than a tendency to blow bulbs and the rarely-functioning aircon display (not visible in any of the above shots), they were extremely reliable. I only ever once got stranded and that was when a battery (German) failed.

Turbobanana

6,310 posts

202 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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snowman2174 said:
Offer a grand, snap it up for best price and enjoy.
Good luck with that - I fear those days may have gone. I won a 2.0 TS on eBay about 8 years ago for £650 (only bidder) but the guy had seller's remorse and pulled out.

There's someone near me who has one, in excellent "survivor" condition: they were a big car back in the day but it looks tiny next to today's 3-Series / C Class etc.

rider73

3,058 posts

78 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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Its funny, because my 155 i start out in my memory patterns of the love and desire to drive it and enjoy the cornering ability along the british B roads, the feel of the (optional extra) wooden steering wheel and gear stick, and eagerness of its engine..........
then i remember the intermittent electrical faults of the windows/alarm@2am/central locking/ignition, the squeaking from every fixture of the interior cabin, the rust at the rear, the mysterious unknown water in the boot and the sheer horror waiting for the MOT......................
then i bought a toyota ....

grumpy52

5,599 posts

167 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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My 164 was only a 2ltr twinspark but it turned out to be a LTD edition with body colour mouldings and bumpers .
It was purchased of its Italian owner of a local cafe for the rebate value of the tax on the screen . Took it to work for an MOT and it needed a new caliper on the back . Upstairs to the parts department on the off chance that we might have one ( Ex FIAT franchise )
and returned with a brand new one for a £20 donation to the Christmas drinks fund .
Only rot in it was at the rear lip of the bottom of the radiator grill . It did have the common extra blackpool illuminated dashboard but that was cured by a strategically place cardboard wedge in the instrument binnacle. I also found twin amps for the stereo that had been disconnected for some reason . It also had optional ltd edition wheels .
I did an epic high speed charge from the paddock at Brands Hatch to the QEQM hospital in Margate 47 minutes one Saturday lunch time when my mother was taken ill .
Sold it on Ebay about 18 months later for loads more than I paid for it .
It was bought by an Alfa specialist who said that the wheels alone were worth what he paid . His face soon dropped when I told him that the car only owed me £80 .
I wish I could get back to the days of free motoring , would I be that brave again?