RE: Next BMW M3 confirmed as all-wheel drive...

RE: Next BMW M3 confirmed as all-wheel drive...

Monday 5th August

Next BMW M3 confirmed as all-wheel drive...

...but a manual, rear-drive version will be offered as well!



Any BMW M3 news is big news on PistonHeads - there are dozens of owners on here, the cars remain top searches on the classifieds, and they make great feature fodder, too. It's the archetypal BMW M car, so big changes are treated with some suspicion, as in the outgoing version using a turbocharged engine. But those concerns have stretched back more than a quarter of a century, to when the E36 M3 switched homologation hardcore for straight-six silkiness, and the car made it through that, so all-wheel drive shouldn't be a problem...

That's right, the star of a thousand cornering shots will now feature four driven wheels. That's according to Car Magazine, which has interviewed M Division boss Markus Flasch. "Drivetrain-wise, think about the M5's all-wheel drive system - we are able to put it in the M3 as well. It'll be very similar." So there. However, given how clever the larger car's M xDrive system has proved itself, delivering damn near all the benefits of four- and rear-wheel drive, that shouldn't be considered too treacherous a move.


Especially so as, for the truly committed, the much-rumoured manual, rear-wheel drive Pure M3 will be offered, also confirmed by Flasch. Power for that car hasn't been confirmed; the regular M3 will mimic the Mercedes-AMG C63 line-up with two power outputs - the new S58 straight-six will have 510hp in Competition form (as in the X3 M, and matching exactly the C63 S), or 480hp as standard.

With this sort of key information being revealed about the G80 M3 by the big boss, a full reveal can't be far off, especially with the standard 3 Series now well established. The last F80 car was shown at the Detroit show in 2014 ahead of a drive four months later; with that expo now moved into the summer months, next month's Frankfurt show might make the most sense for a debut. After all, the German manufacturers will often try to outdo each other at the home events, and nothing quite grabs the attention like a new M3. More news as we have it!



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wab172uk

Original Poster:

1,355 posts

171 months

Monday 5th August
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Why not offer a Manual with AWD? That's my preferred option.

Then give it that button, like on the M5, to turn the AWD off.

essayer

6,193 posts

138 months

Monday 5th August
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Shame it’s not electric

AmosMoses

3,319 posts

109 months

Monday 5th August
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Judging by how lively the outgoing m3 was, 4wd will be a good addition. I'd still take the manual rwd one though.

simonbamg

307 posts

67 months

Monday 5th August
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Excellent news

dunc_sx

1,019 posts

141 months

Monday 5th August
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Disastrous news frown

Pistonheader101

984 posts

51 months

Monday 5th August
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Fantastic news

Electronicpants

1,905 posts

132 months

Monday 5th August
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News

Cups Renault

36 posts

145 months

Monday 5th August
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BMW continuing their journey into irrelevance.

Terrible news for proper BMW fans, great news for Audi drivers.

I await news of the next phase m2 going 4 pot and all wheel drive.

RobM77

32,628 posts

178 months

Monday 5th August
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I welcome the split between 4WD and RWD. Porsche of course did the same thing with the last GT3 by offering the GT3 with a paddleshift and a new '911R' model with a full manual box. The reason I welcome this split is that there are going to be lots more differences between a car centred around driving pleasure and a car centred around performance, and splitting the two lines means that BMW can focus the 'Pure M3' even further. driving

Jon_S_Rally

514 posts

32 months

Monday 5th August
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I totally see why they're doing it, but it is a bit sad how we're moving towards a place where all cars are essentially the same. I remember the Top Gear film where they tested the M3, C63 and RS4 at a track in Spain (I think it was Spain anyway). Although they were all V8s, they represented three very different approaches to the sports saloon, with high-revving precision, sledgehammer aggression and 4WD planted-ness respectively. I can't help but feel that some of that has now been lost.

It's a shame, but the reality of the market I guess.

SidewaysSi

5,515 posts

178 months

Monday 5th August
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essayer said:
Shame it’s not electric
I know, damn shame. What are they smoking?

Futse

140 posts

129 months

Monday 5th August
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SidewaysSi said:
essayer said:
Shame it’s not electric
I know, damn shame. What are they smoking?
Smoking rubber and sniffing petrol? :-)

Wills2

15,813 posts

119 months

Monday 5th August
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Wait till you see the grilles, that camo is hiding a pair of monster grilles apparently.

RobM77

32,628 posts

178 months

Monday 5th August
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Jon_S_Rally said:
I totally see why they're doing it, but it is a bit sad how we're moving towards a place where all cars are essentially the same. I remember the Top Gear film where they tested the M3, C63 and RS4 at a track in Spain (I think it was Spain anyway). Although they were all V8s, they represented three very different approaches to the sports saloon, with high-revving precision, sledgehammer aggression and 4WD planted-ness respectively. I can't help but feel that some of that has now been lost.

It's a shame, but the reality of the market I guess.
yes I totally agree with that. I made the same comment on a 140i thread. Engines, drivetrain and size/shape are all converging. Gone are the days where a 4WD 5 cyl Audi RS competed with a V8 RWD AMG Merc and a raspy 6 cyl BMW M car.

Harry_523

162 posts

43 months

Monday 5th August
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RobM77 said:
yes I totally agree with that. I made the same comment on a 140i thread. Engines, drivetrain and size/shape are all converging. Gone are the days where a 4WD 5 cyl Audi RS competed with a V8 RWD AMG Merc and a raspy 6 cyl BMW M car.
RS3, M2, A45s (lets call that half a v8 biggrin )

I think it the 3 series and above range there is still some variety (v6 in alfa and audi, v8 in AMGs, I6s in BMW), but totally agree that the world has far too many 2 liter, 4cylinder, 4wd, dsg hatchbacks

RSTurboPaul

845 posts

202 months

Monday 5th August
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I'm pleased to see people actually interested in driving, rather than having the fastest thing possible on PCP to show off their 'lifestyle', will be catered for by the 'Pure' version.

More manufacturers should do it - as I think evo magazine suggested about the 911, imagine a world where you could spec an empty shell with a drivetrain and suspension setup of your choice, then add as much or as little as you wanted in terms of interior trim and gadgets.

Stripped out RWD racer with a manual box, mechanical LSD and carbon buckets but no electronic gadgets whatsoever? No problem, sir.
'Touring' spec with race-spec suspension but leather, A/C, recliners and ABS? Certainly.
'Lux' spec with magnetorheological dampers, several cows worth of leather, electric memory seats and all the gadgets? Sign here.


In an ideal world the stripped-out version (including the M3 Pure) should be much cheaper, but I think we all know examples where less (stuff) = more (money)...

Debaser

3,400 posts

205 months

Monday 5th August
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The M3 Pure sounds interesting.

RobM77

32,628 posts

178 months

Monday 5th August
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Harry_523 said:
RobM77 said:
yes I totally agree with that. I made the same comment on a 140i thread. Engines, drivetrain and size/shape are all converging. Gone are the days where a 4WD 5 cyl Audi RS competed with a V8 RWD AMG Merc and a raspy 6 cyl BMW M car.
RS3, M2, A45s (lets call that half a v8 biggrin )

I think it the 3 series and above range there is still some variety (v6 in alfa and audi, v8 in AMGs, I6s in BMW), but totally agree that the world has far too many 2 liter, 4cylinder, 4wd, dsg hatchbacks
yes Thus my comment on the 140i thread - all those cars in that segment are converging on the same thing, which is a pity. The same is happening for base spec models now that the 1 series has gone FWD.

Tickle

3,269 posts

148 months

Monday 5th August
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RSTurboPaul said:
I'm pleased to see people actually interested in driving, rather than having the fastest thing possible on PCP to show off their 'lifestyle', will be catered for by the 'Pure' version.
'Pure' only available for cash buyers too

Wills2

15,813 posts

119 months

Monday 5th August
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Tickle said:
RSTurboPaul said:
I'm pleased to see people actually interested in driving, rather than having the fastest thing possible on PCP to show off their 'lifestyle', will be catered for by the 'Pure' version.
'Pure' only available for cash buyers too
But only if you go in dressed as tramp with the money in a plastic shopping bag, having been turned away from a Porsche and Merc dealer, you also have to promise to drive back to those dealers on collection of the car.

You can then become the subject of one of those "I knew a bloke who...." threads on PH.