EML On - MOT Hard Fail?
Discussion
All,
Had an argument in the pub last Tuesday. I thought an Engine Management Light was a hard fail for an MOT. The opposition claimed not and that it depended on what the actual emissions were on test.
Assume current MOT rules
[If relevant the car in question was a 8 year old Audi Diesel]
Who was right?
Sean
Had an argument in the pub last Tuesday. I thought an Engine Management Light was a hard fail for an MOT. The opposition claimed not and that it depended on what the actual emissions were on test.
Assume current MOT rules
[If relevant the car in question was a 8 year old Audi Diesel]
Who was right?
Sean
Edited by NugentS on Friday 23 August 12:54
Initforthemoney said:
eybic said:
I was under the impression that if any warning lights are on, it will fail???????
Agreed It's all in the MoT test guide if you want to confirm. As others have said, the EML is an immediate fail now the rules have changed.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/mot-ins...
Utter utter bulls
t rule.
As said, EML's can be on for a variety of reasons, some major, some utterly pointless.
I own a private hire vehicle which is subject to an even more stringent version of the MOT Joe Public gets on their car and my EML was on.
Took it to main dealer thinking it was still under warranty as it was under three years old. Problem was it's done 75K so 15K over their warranty limit. Got them to check it out anyway at a cost £69 to plug a poxy OBDII reader in.
Computer said both exhaust sensors either side of the DPF were faulty. That will be £1000 please.
I asked what happens if replacing those sensors doesn't clear the EML. "Well, we'll always look to work with the customer if we attempt a fix and it doesn't work". Riiiiight....but even if you decide to refund me 50% I've still spunked £500 up the wall and can't work as I can't get an MOT because of the EML.
I decided to chance it and took it straight from the dealer, who'd at least cleared the codes and EML, to get the MOT done. Light stayed out, car passed, £1000 saved.
Annoyingly light is back on but for the sake of a grand that may or may not fix the problem, it can stay on until next MOT when I shall just clear the code again as the car is running just as well as it ever has done.
t rule.As said, EML's can be on for a variety of reasons, some major, some utterly pointless.
I own a private hire vehicle which is subject to an even more stringent version of the MOT Joe Public gets on their car and my EML was on.
Took it to main dealer thinking it was still under warranty as it was under three years old. Problem was it's done 75K so 15K over their warranty limit. Got them to check it out anyway at a cost £69 to plug a poxy OBDII reader in.
Computer said both exhaust sensors either side of the DPF were faulty. That will be £1000 please.
I asked what happens if replacing those sensors doesn't clear the EML. "Well, we'll always look to work with the customer if we attempt a fix and it doesn't work". Riiiiight....but even if you decide to refund me 50% I've still spunked £500 up the wall and can't work as I can't get an MOT because of the EML.
I decided to chance it and took it straight from the dealer, who'd at least cleared the codes and EML, to get the MOT done. Light stayed out, car passed, £1000 saved.
Annoyingly light is back on but for the sake of a grand that may or may not fix the problem, it can stay on until next MOT when I shall just clear the code again as the car is running just as well as it ever has done.
SS2. said:
You need to inspect MIL fitted to diesel vehicles with 4 or more wheels and first used on or after 1 July 2008.
similar rules also apply to lpg and petrol vehicles
You need to inspect MIL fitted to
petrol vehicles with 4 or more wheels, not more than 8 passenger seats in addition to the driver’s seat and first used on or after 1 July 2003
petrol vehicles with 4 or more wheels, more than 8 passenger seats in addition to the driver’s seat and first used on or after 1 July 2008
gas and bi-fuel vehicles with 4 or more wheels, not more than 8 passenger seats in addition to the driver’s seat and first used on or after 1 July 2008
Kit cars, amateur built vehicles and American pickups are not required to be fitted with an engine MIL.
Edited by sassanach0 on Friday 23 August 20:22
Centurion07 said:
Computer said both exhaust sensors either side of the DPF were faulty. That will be £1000 please.
I asked what happens if replacing those sensors doesn't clear the EML. "Well, we'll always look to work with the customer if we attempt a fix and it doesn't work".
Standard practise. We think it is this. We will replace that. I asked what happens if replacing those sensors doesn't clear the EML. "Well, we'll always look to work with the customer if we attempt a fix and it doesn't work".
When it turns out not to be this they still have done what they said they would do.
The MIL lit up on my 2004 Honda CR-V petrol years back, scanned it and was a faulty knock sensor, but as it seemed to have zero effect on the car and it was a bh to get to I left it - up until this years test anyway.
Funnily enough, youtube gave an easy way to change it, although that spanner won’t be suitable for anything but knock sensor changing now - weirdly it pinks more with the sensor working, but mpg is better - and it has 162k on it now so probably needs a decoke after the years of supermarket petrol my wife puts in...
h to get to I left it - up until this years test anyway.Funnily enough, youtube gave an easy way to change it, although that spanner won’t be suitable for anything but knock sensor changing now - weirdly it pinks more with the sensor working, but mpg is better - and it has 162k on it now so probably needs a decoke after the years of supermarket petrol my wife puts in...
V8LM said:
Centurion07 said:
Computer said both exhaust sensors either side of the DPF were faulty. That will be £1000 please.
I asked what happens if replacing those sensors doesn't clear the EML. "Well, we'll always look to work with the customer if we attempt a fix and it doesn't work".
Standard practise. We think it is this. We will replace that. I asked what happens if replacing those sensors doesn't clear the EML. "Well, we'll always look to work with the customer if we attempt a fix and it doesn't work".
When it turns out not to be this they still have done what they said they would do.
As I said, the car runs exactly the same as it always has. I keep every fuel receipt with a note of the mileage & MPG figure and there's no difference there either so there's no way I'm paying a four figure sum to extinguish a poxy bulb.
Retroman said:
I was in the understanding the the MIL testing was only done on particular cars made after a certain year.
My friend's 2006 Ibiza FR TDi passed with his on (EGR deleted) MOT inspector told him his car was close to the cut off year.
For diesels it’s 1st July 2008, for petrol cars 1st July 2003. Other ages apply to other types of petrol vehicle - e.g. more than 8 seats - or LPG vehicles.My friend's 2006 Ibiza FR TDi passed with his on (EGR deleted) MOT inspector told him his car was close to the cut off year.
charltjr said:
For diesels it’s 1st July 2008, for petrol cars 1st July 2003. Other ages apply to other types of petrol vehicle - e.g. more than 8 seats - or LPG vehicles.
Thanks for confirming that.Is 1st July 2008 about the same time when DPF's became mandatory, as his has a catalytic converter instead
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