RE: Porsche 911 Carrera 4 | Frankfurt 2019

RE: Porsche 911 Carrera 4 | Frankfurt 2019

Tuesday 10th September 2019

Porsche 911 Carrera 4 | Frankfurt 2019

992 lineup swells again with confirmation of Carrera 4 coupe and convertible



The 992 Carrera line-up will grow to eight models when the Carrera 4 and 4 convertible arrive in showrooms early next year, featuring the same 385hp turbocharged flat-six as the entry-level rear-drive 911. With 385hp now shared between the front and rear axles, the Carrera 4 sprints from 0-62mph in four seconds with the Sport Chrono pack selected - or 4.2 seconds without it - while the rag-top adds two tenths to both.

Although off-the-line performance remains identical to the rear-driven Carrera models, the Carrera 4 promises the same year-round usability as the already-launched Carrera 4S – even Porsche labels the variants as the β€œsurefooted” option – and adds the new β€˜Wet’ setting to its drive modes. It's not all about rainy days though: the new model also gets Porsche’s electronically controlled limited slip diff with torque vectoring on the back axle for maximum attack.


New hardware is limited to the drivetrain though; the engine and gearbox remain unchanged compared to the two-wheel drive Carrera. The twin-turbo 3.0-litre unit produces its peak power at 6,500rpm, after torque maxes out at 332lb ft between 1,900-5,000rpm, with drive sent through the same eight-speed PDK. In fact, most of the 4’s technical make-up is unchanged; you’ll find the same PASM chassis tech with variable dampers, 19 front and 20-inch rear wheels, along with 330mm brake discs all-round, either of standard cast-iron or optional ceramic forms.

The design differences between the two and all-wheel drive are, well, non-existent, barring the badge on the boot. So that’s that. Orders are being taken now, with prices starting at Β£88,101 for the coupe and Β£97,746 for the drop-top. You won't have long to wait, as first deliveries are due in late October.


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cerb4.5lee

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16,473 posts

138 months

Tuesday 10th September 2019
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It is wrong that I quite fancy a 911 Convertible! Out of my price range though, but I do like how you can take the kids with you if you wanted to.

I would like to tick the 911 box one day because everyone that has/had one seems to really love them.

Sandpit Steve

1,604 posts

32 months

Tuesday 10th September 2019
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Not as much of a differentiator as it used to be, now that they only use the one chassis size for both 2WD and 4WD versions.

I guess this is the one to have if you want a daily driver but live somewhere where the weather isn’t always co-operative.

LaurasOtherHalf

18,175 posts

154 months

Tuesday 10th September 2019
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cerb4.5lee said:
It is wrong that I quite fancy a 911 Convertible! Out of my price range though, but I do like how you can take the kids with you if you wanted to.

I would like to tick the 911 box one day because everyone that has/had one seems to really love them.
It's still an incredibly relevant part of the car's design IMHO. We all lead even more busy lives and the 911 is the sports car you can use-just about.

I keep thinking about getting a toy in the garage but what with work, family life and everything else it really would only be used very infrequently. A 911 I could take kids to sports, drop off or pick up from school, nip to the shops with a couple of kids in tow, commute etc etc.


Augustus Windsock

2,247 posts

113 months

Tuesday 10th September 2019
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If I could afford it this would be my choice, over a C2.
But £88k?
I’d opine that hardly a single model leaves the showroom without being around the £100k mark;
“Ooh Sir,one MUST have this colour to maximise selling it on in 3yrs time, and of course one simply MUST have (lists options...)....

cerb4.5lee

Original Poster:

16,473 posts

138 months

Tuesday 10th September 2019
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
cerb4.5lee said:
It is wrong that I quite fancy a 911 Convertible! Out of my price range though, but I do like how you can take the kids with you if you wanted to.

I would like to tick the 911 box one day because everyone that has/had one seems to really love them.
It's still an incredibly relevant part of the car's design IMHO. We all lead even more busy lives and the 911 is the sports car you can use-just about.

I keep thinking about getting a toy in the garage but what with work, family life and everything else it really would only be used very infrequently. A 911 I could take kids to sports, drop off or pick up from school, nip to the shops with a couple of kids in tow, commute etc etc.
Agree and I'm missing the usability with my 2 seat Convertible with me having 2 kids if I'm honest. As you mention at least with a 4 seat(ish) Convertible it gives you far more options to actually use/enjoy it for sure.

Dave Hedgehog

12,908 posts

162 months

Tuesday 10th September 2019
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dont like the new front and back ends

thelostboy

3,922 posts

183 months

Tuesday 10th September 2019
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anonymous said:
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Completely disagree. I have a 991.1 cab and think the roofline is basically identical coupe, especially as mine's all black.





Being a Carrera 4 PDK, it does every job asked of it - and the highlight is hearing the engine sing with the roof down, which happens as long as it's not raining virtually!

It's only a 2 + 2 if rear passengers are 5 foot 7 or under though.

The Vambo

4,152 posts

99 months

Tuesday 10th September 2019
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That is so clean it will age fantastically.

Badge is in the wrong place though.

cerb4.5lee

Original Poster:

16,473 posts

138 months

Tuesday 10th September 2019
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thelostboy said:
Completely disagree. I have a 991.1 cab and think the roofline is basically identical coupe, especially as mine's all black.





Being a Carrera 4 PDK, it does every job asked of it - and the highlight is hearing the engine sing with the roof down, which happens as long as it's not raining virtually!

It's only a 2 + 2 if rear passengers are 5 foot 7 or under though.
Porsche have done a really good job with that roof up for sure. It mirrors the Coupe shape really well for me.

StuH

2,550 posts

231 months

Tuesday 10th September 2019
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Had my 911 for almost five years. The longest I’ve kept a car by some distance. Simply because it works so well as a DD, goes out in any weather, and the whole family can go out in it for the weekend, and often the dogs as well biggrin

Also common enough that you don’t get grief from Mr angry types!


benjaminsherman

2 posts

13 months

Tuesday 10th September 2019
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911 Cabriolet is the only current production car (that I'm aware of?) that meets my dream criteria:

- Convertible
- Four seats
- Manual gearbox (presumably forthcoming?)
- Petrol
- Six-cylinder
- Not RWD (I'd be worried I'd put it in a ditch or tree in the wet! smile)

And I think it looks stunning.

Now just need to find £100k... frown

redroadster

1,142 posts

190 months

Tuesday 10th September 2019
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It's kept the every day super car crown nothing sells as well proves a point .

Gandahar

9,364 posts

86 months

Tuesday 10th September 2019
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£88k for less Bhp than a hot hatch in 2019.

I know pure bhp does not matter, but at least it needs to skim some skin off a custard.

Back in the day the difference between a hot hatch, the golf Mk 2 16v and the 993 was 139bhp and 272/ 285bhp. A 150bhp difference.
Now the Mercedes A45 hot hatch has 400 plus and the Porsche 380+.

How things have changed.

I guess with the larger bodywork the fatboy porsche is harder to muscle down a b road than the merc too.

Nutz.

Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 10th September 21:10

cerb4.5lee

Original Poster:

16,473 posts

138 months

Tuesday 10th September 2019
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Gandahar said:
£88k for less Bhp than a hot hatch in 2019.

I know pure bhp does not matter, but at least it needs to skim some skin off a custard.

Back in the day the difference between a hot hatch, the golf Mk 2 16v and the 993 was 139bhp and 272/ 285bhp. A 150bhp difference.
Now the Mercedes A45 hot hatch has 400 plus and the Porsche 380+.

How things have changed.

I guess with the larger bodywork the fatboy porsche is harder to muscle down a b road than the merc too.

Nutz.

Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 10th September 21:10
I've been shot down for saying this in the past on here, but I do agree that bhp per pound has never been that great with the 911. Not that I'd say no to one though! biggrin

Gandahar

9,364 posts

86 months

Tuesday 10th September 2019
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cerb4.5lee said:
Gandahar said:
£88k for less Bhp than a hot hatch in 2019.

I know pure bhp does not matter, but at least it needs to skim some skin off a custard.

Back in the day the difference between a hot hatch, the golf Mk 2 16v and the 993 was 139bhp and 272/ 285bhp. A 150bhp difference.
Now the Mercedes A45 hot hatch has 400 plus and the Porsche 380+.

How things have changed.

I guess with the larger bodywork the fatboy porsche is harder to muscle down a b road than the merc too.

Nutz.

Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 10th September 21:10
I've been shot down for saying this in the past on here, but I do agree that bhp per pound has never been that great with the 911. Not that I'd say no to one though! biggrin
And they have got rid of the slim hipped one as well now, with more width and more weight! It would have been cool if they had made the whole thing smaller and given narrower tyres for the low bhp one... but then people just read figures nowadays.

Less material, less weight, less tyres and brakes needed, serve it up 100kg lighter at mid £70k. Make it different to the S version.....

oh well.

Leon R

947 posts

54 months

Tuesday 10th September 2019
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cerb4.5lee said:
Gandahar said:
£88k for less Bhp than a hot hatch in 2019.

I know pure bhp does not matter, but at least it needs to skim some skin off a custard.

Back in the day the difference between a hot hatch, the golf Mk 2 16v and the 993 was 139bhp and 272/ 285bhp. A 150bhp difference.
Now the Mercedes A45 hot hatch has 400 plus and the Porsche 380+.

How things have changed.

I guess with the larger bodywork the fatboy porsche is harder to muscle down a b road than the merc too.

Nutz.

Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 10th September 21:10
I've been shot down for saying this in the past on here, but I do agree that bhp per pound has never been that great with the 911. Not that I'd say no to one though! biggrin
I can see why you have been shot down, bhp per £ has got to be one of the most pointless measurements for a drivers car.

cerb4.5lee

Original Poster:

16,473 posts

138 months

Tuesday 10th September 2019
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Leon R said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Gandahar said:
£88k for less Bhp than a hot hatch in 2019.

I know pure bhp does not matter, but at least it needs to skim some skin off a custard.

Back in the day the difference between a hot hatch, the golf Mk 2 16v and the 993 was 139bhp and 272/ 285bhp. A 150bhp difference.
Now the Mercedes A45 hot hatch has 400 plus and the Porsche 380+.

How things have changed.

I guess with the larger bodywork the fatboy porsche is harder to muscle down a b road than the merc too.

Nutz.

Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 10th September 21:10
I've been shot down for saying this in the past on here, but I do agree that bhp per pound has never been that great with the 911. Not that I'd say no to one though! biggrin
I can see why you have been shot down, bhp per £ has got to be one of the most pointless measurements for a drivers car.
I don't know...my Cerbera had a fantastic bhp per £ ratio and that was quite a good drivers car IMO.

garyhun

29,828 posts

186 months

Tuesday 10th September 2019
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cerb4.5lee said:
Leon R said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Gandahar said:
£88k for less Bhp than a hot hatch in 2019.

I know pure bhp does not matter, but at least it needs to skim some skin off a custard.

Back in the day the difference between a hot hatch, the golf Mk 2 16v and the 993 was 139bhp and 272/ 285bhp. A 150bhp difference.
Now the Mercedes A45 hot hatch has 400 plus and the Porsche 380+.

How things have changed.

I guess with the larger bodywork the fatboy porsche is harder to muscle down a b road than the merc too.

Nutz.

Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 10th September 21:10
I've been shot down for saying this in the past on here, but I do agree that bhp per pound has never been that great with the 911. Not that I'd say no to one though! biggrin
I can see why you have been shot down, bhp per £ has got to be one of the most pointless measurements for a drivers car.
I don't know...my Cerbera had a fantastic bhp per £ ratio and that was quite a good drivers car IMO.
A good drivers car MAY have excellent bhp/pound BUT a good drivers car does not NEED excellent bhp/pound.

cerb4.5lee

Original Poster:

16,473 posts

138 months

Tuesday 10th September 2019
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garyhun said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Leon R said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Gandahar said:
£88k for less Bhp than a hot hatch in 2019.

I know pure bhp does not matter, but at least it needs to skim some skin off a custard.

Back in the day the difference between a hot hatch, the golf Mk 2 16v and the 993 was 139bhp and 272/ 285bhp. A 150bhp difference.
Now the Mercedes A45 hot hatch has 400 plus and the Porsche 380+.

How things have changed.

I guess with the larger bodywork the fatboy porsche is harder to muscle down a b road than the merc too.

Nutz.

Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 10th September 21:10
I've been shot down for saying this in the past on here, but I do agree that bhp per pound has never been that great with the 911. Not that I'd say no to one though! biggrin
I can see why you have been shot down, bhp per £ has got to be one of the most pointless measurements for a drivers car.
I don't know...my Cerbera had a fantastic bhp per £ ratio and that was quite a good drivers car IMO.
A good drivers car MAY have excellent bhp/pound BUT a good drivers car does not NEED excellent bhp/pound.
I've already said that I wouldn't say no to a 911...even though I do think that they aren't especially great value for money for the performance. Although they are great value for money overall because they don't depreciate. biggrin

Leon R

947 posts

54 months

Tuesday 10th September 2019
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Gandahar said:
£88k for less Bhp than a hot hatch in 2019.

I know pure bhp does not matter, but at least it needs to skim some skin off a custard.

Back in the day the difference between a hot hatch, the golf Mk 2 16v and the 993 was 139bhp and 272/ 285bhp. A 150bhp difference.
Now the Mercedes A45 hot hatch has 400 plus and the Porsche 380+.

How things have changed.

I guess with the larger bodywork the fatboy porsche is harder to muscle down a b road than the merc too.

Nutz.

Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 10th September 21:10
Just go for fun shall we compare like for like?

Mk7 GTi PP 227.

992 Carrera 380.

Difference in power 153.