RE: Volkswagen Golf GTI TCR | PH Fleet

RE: Volkswagen Golf GTI TCR | PH Fleet

Tuesday 3rd December

Volkswagen Golf GTI TCR | PH Fleet

We've become very comfortable in the TCR's company. Maybe a little too comfortable...



With the prospect of a new Golf GTI - and, we're told, a follow-up TCR - now firmly on the horizon, it feels like an ideal time to stand back and give our current Fleet member a moment of beard-stroking contemplation. First impressions, it's fair to say, have given way to a broad sense of fondness for the Pure Grey occupant of our allocated parking space. Say what you like about the Mk7 Golf, but in high spec format it does do a mighty fine job of convincing you that you've chosen wisely.

Yes, it has slipped into everyday life with all the convenience of a contactless credit card - but that ought to be the low bar of new car ownership. I'm talking about the feel-good factor that comes from interacting with something modern which has been carefully conceived with its end user in mind, and then well made to boot. Put it this way, if the TCR had come in a white box with a silver apple printed on it, it would not seem incongruous.

Does that make it perfect? No. Of course not. And it certainly doesn't make it cheap, either. We touched on the asking price before, and it's fair to say its bigness has not been made to seem anymore reasonable over time. It does not help that one constituent of the option list, the Β£2,900 'Performance Pack', is filled with things you might reasonably expect the top-spec GTI to come with as standard - namely the lower sports suspension, a derestricted top speed, adaptive dampers and 19-inch Pretoria black alloys.


Save perhaps for the Autobahn-applicable 164mph V-max, you would not willingly give up any of the above. Most TCR buyers would likely think a 20mm drop in ride height and larger wheels (as standard the car gets slightly slimmer 18-inch Quaranta alloys) a no-brainer. And from experience, the GTI's passive suspension, while adequate, is no match for the variable settings of the adjustable Dynamic Chassis Control (put it this way, the Nurburgring-conquering Clubsport S had it fitted for the greater pliancy it afforded, and so should you).

Elsewhere the sliding/tilting panoramic sunroof seems steep at Β£1,000 - and near redundant at this time of the year - yet there was just enough sunshine at the end of September to remind yours truly why such a thing is desirable in a hot hatch. Ditto the paint job, which might slide into obscurity when dirty, but looks the business under pale sunlight. The rest? Well it gets a lot more 'meh' - especially when it comes to the Β£555 decals we banished to the bin - although no-one could be blamed for thinking the S5-VTS tracker a worthy dealer-fit option.

Either way, the 'Performance Pack' alone sees the TCR's price edge close to Β£40k. Which makes the concept of a sub-Β£35k Honda Civic Type R GT a naggingly persistent thought. Especially when the latter comes with virtually all the trimmings as standard, possesses the slick-shifting manual gearbox you can't have with the Golf and edges it dynamically. The flip side, of course, is would the Civic, with all its internal and external peccadilloes, radiate the same shrewd-buy vibe without moving a muscle? I'm not so sure. The TCR is expensive. But perhaps not unreassuringly so.


Car: Volkswagen Golf GTI TCR
Run by: Nic
On fleet since: Sept 2019
Mileage: 9345
List price new: Β£35,305 (price as standard; as tested Β£41,289 comprised of GTI TCR Performance Pack - 8J x 19" Pretoria Black alloys with 235/35 R19 semi-slick tyres and anti-theft wheel bolts, derestricted top speed to 164 mph, lowered sports suspension by approx. 20mm and Dynamic chassis Control (DCC)(Β£2,900) Panoramic sunroof - electric, glass sliding/tilting including integrated blind (Β£1,000) rear tinted glass - from B-pillar backwards, approx. 90% tinted (Β£100) side decals - honeycomb design (Β£555) rear side airbags - includes rear seat belt tensioners (for 2 outer rear seats) and optical warning if rear seat. Pure Grey (Β£595) with TCR upholstery belts unfastened (Β£300) Retailer fitted optional equipment: Vodaphone S5-VTS - vehicle tracker including one year subscription (Β£534.19 incl. fitting)


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Discussion

Dr G

Original Poster:

13,821 posts

190 months

Tuesday 3rd December
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A 'normal' level of discount on these seems to be 5-6k area; given 30ish K is about what a hot hatch costs these days it's not too silly.

Turbobanana

1,559 posts

149 months

Tuesday 3rd December
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[quot=PH]...the paint job, which might slide into obscurity when dirty...
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Sorry, I thought that was the primer coat. When are they putting the paint on?

Dave Hedgehog

11,896 posts

152 months

Tuesday 3rd December
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i really want one of these

andrewparker

3,699 posts

135 months

Tuesday 3rd December
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Looks like every dealer manager in the land ordered a TCR demo. 107 currently available on Autotrader. I imagine discounted are only going to get greater.

ianMD

2,838 posts

119 months

Tuesday 3rd December
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The price is always brought up as the sticking point, but these are easily found brand new at £32k with the 19's/dcc and Akrapovic exhaust (that doesn't do much because of the filters). Seems inline with other hot hatches, but like others, it is an outgoing model.

Edited by ianMD on Tuesday 3rd December 14:51

J4CKO

28,608 posts

148 months

Tuesday 3rd December
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Be interesting to try back to back with a Golf R.

Speed_Demon

2,618 posts

136 months

Tuesday 3rd December
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Where does this sit in terms of the range?

R
Clubsport S
TCR
Clubsport
GTI PP
GTI
GTD
GTE

?

What's the attraction of this compared to a Clubsport or R?

andrewparker

3,699 posts

135 months

Tuesday 3rd December
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Speed_Demon said:
Where does this sit in terms of the range?

R
Clubsport S
TCR
Clubsport
GTI PP
GTI
GTD
GTE

?

What's the attraction of this compared to a Clubsport or R?
In terms of the range the Clubsport S, Clubsport and regular GTI can no longer be purchased new. It's more expensive than the R, but only because they decided to include the Akrapovic exhaust as standard equipment.

swampy442

113 posts

159 months

Tuesday 3rd December
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41 grand for a Golf GTi? redface

Sean207

23 posts

85 months

Tuesday 3rd December
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"The flip side, of course, is would the Civic, with all its internal and external peccadilloes, radiate the same shrewd-buy vibe without moving a muscle?"

Firstly, i had to look 'peccadilloes' up (seriously, go work for the Guardian)....and secondly while its not to everyone's tastes its a million miles more special...

Turbojuice

486 posts

37 months

Tuesday 3rd December
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Sean207 said:
"The flip side, of course, is would the Civic, with all its internal and external peccadilloes, radiate the same shrewd-buy vibe without moving a muscle?"

Firstly, i had to look 'peccadilloes' up (seriously, go work for the Guardian)....and secondly while its not to everyone's tastes its a million miles more special...
Agree and also whilst the Civic has many "external peccadilloes", i think we all know which one is much more likely to get nicked. The subtle looks of the Golf don't work imo, everyone (good and bad) knows what it is.

chelme

704 posts

118 months

Tuesday 3rd December
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Turbobanana said:
[quot=PH]...the paint job, which might slide into obscurity when dirty...
Sorry, I thought that was the primer coat. When are they putting the paint on?
Not sure when, but as enticing as it may be, I prefer my Miele.

andygo

5,562 posts

203 months

Tuesday 3rd December
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andrewparker said:
In terms of the range the Clubsport S, Clubsport and regular GTI can no longer be purchased new. It's more expensive than the R, but only because they decided to include the Akrapovic exhaust as standard equipment.
The Golf R has Akroprovic as standard as well nowadays.

i have a 7.5r and when its wet and greasy the R will win all day long. I have owned loads of GTi's from MK1's to Mk6's including a 290bhp Edition 30 that would spin its wheels in a straight line in the wet in 3rd gear..

Whilst it was doing that a new R would be over the horizon.

I did look at a TCR earlier this year, but you can only buy a 4 door Golf these days, which is a shame. When I look right at a junction, I would prefer not to be looking at a B pillar!

cossers

1,779 posts

88 months

Tuesday 3rd December
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Apart from how it goes and the price, that has to be the most boring car I’ve ever seen!

Court_S

1,552 posts

125 months

Tuesday 3rd December
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I was convinced that a TCR was the perfect daily driver with a bit of fun when I opted out of my company car scheme this year. The discounts were pretty good in March/April and it was certainly tempting.

When I looked at one, it left me totally cold. The tech was lovely (digital dash etc) but it just didn’t ‘tickle’ me enough to spend the best part of £30k on it. I did prefer it to the Golf R aesthetically though.

andrewparker

3,699 posts

135 months

Tuesday 3rd December
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andygo said:
The Golf R has Akroprovic as standard as well nowadays.
It’s listed as a £3000 optional extra on the configurator...

Onehp

1,133 posts

231 months

Wednesday 4th December
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andygo said:
I have owned loads of GTi's from MK1's to Mk6's including a 290bhp Edition 30 that would spin its wheels in a straight line in the wet in 3rd gear..

Whilst it was doing that a new R would be over the horizon.
Just to note, this car, like the Cupra, i30N, Focus ST, comes with an (here VAQ made by Borg Warner) electronically controllled limited slippy mech diff. With suitable winter tyres - see here why you need sporty all seasons/winters https://youtu.be/bKtnczk8Mxk - my sister car is very impressive on the cold, wet greasy roads considering the power and fwd. Different league to a car without the clever diff and summers.

Golf R has the traction but is dynamically a lot less interesting...

Onehp

1,133 posts

231 months

Wednesday 4th December
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"Honda Civic Type R GT.... edges it dynamically"

Correct, wide track and sofisticated front suspension. Still in real world, Sport Auto did 8:01 on the ring on Cup 2 and this TCR on the same tyres did 8:04. So while the Civic surely is better, the Golf perhaps isn't as bad as it may be portrayed generally and certainly a lot better than a GTI Performance that did 8:29, and better than the Golf 7 R at 8:15 on re050 (now probably slower with GPF and lesser stock tyres). Still some frame of reference for the 'dynamic edge' on offer.

In the end, all Hot hatches tend to be underestimated for their sporting potential as they can keep up with a lot more expensive and costly cars a difficult tracks....

Edited by Onehp on Wednesday 4th December 04:45

heisthegaffer

1,367 posts

146 months

Wednesday 4th December
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I'd rather have one of these over a Civic but a Megane over this.

The civic looks so much better in the flesh mind.

andygo

5,562 posts

203 months

Wednesday 4th December
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andrewparker said:
It’s listed as a £3000 optional extra on the configurator...
Hold my hand up - you are correct. Got mixed up with GTI.




Edited by andygo on Wednesday 4th December 12:23