RE: Most powerful Golf GTD yet previewed

RE: Most powerful Golf GTD yet previewed

Friday 21st February

Volkswagen Golf GTI previewed | Update

First image of Mk8 hot hatch shows it'll share a light strip and grille illumination with the GTD



Volkswagen has provided a first official glimpse of its upcoming Mk8 Golf GTI via a new rendered image of its nose. While little more than the front lights and grille are shown, the pic does confirm our assumptions that the GTI nose will gain little more than a red line and badge over to its GTD sibling. Both cars are headed to the Geneva motor show next month, with the GTI set for an anticipated - but yet to be confirmed - 245hp, matching the Mk7.5 GTI Performance from the get-go.

That’s pretty much all we have to go on for now as far as the 2.0-litre powerplant is concerned. Although VW has been kind enough to confirm that the illuminated crossbar of the pictured car will be optional, that the interior will get a fully digital cockpit and that the dash screens will have no fewer than 32 background colours. It all points to a bit of a tech fest aboard the eighth-gen hot hatch, which you may have noticed has gained a new family rival in the Cupra Leon, which also gets 245hp as its base power output.

Following the GTI’s launch at next month’s Geneva show, the Golf range will, of course, gain an R with an anticipated 329hp, while more special variants such as the TCR and – fingers crossed – Clubsport are also due. We're expecting them all to continue a trend of evolution rather than revolution. Which is no bad thing really, because the Mk7.5s were rather good…

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With the Mk8Β Golf having been unveiled last October, we’ve had a good few months to come to terms with its new visage. Even on Valentine’s Day, though, it remains a hard look to love.Β 

Luckily, with the more sporting variants yet to come - including, apparently, a 329hpΒ Golf R - there remains ample opportunity for things to improve. First up to the plate is the GTD, which is set to be revealed alongside the hotly-anticipated new GTI at next month’s Geneva Motor Show.Β 

β€œThe charismatic design of the Golf GTD reflects a unique combination of dynamism and self-confidence,” its creator claims. Behind its bumper will lie the most powerful (197hp if rumours are true) and cleanest TDI engine ever fitted to a Golf, certainly giving the model the on-paper credentials to justify a bolder look. Which seems, we’d tentatively suggest, to be the case.Β 

The teaser photo seen here reveals a heavily revised front grille, with a hexagonal honeycomb structure and built-in Megane RS-style lights. The DRLs now run the full width of the bumper, while the bonnet creases appear more heavily defined than on the standard model. Not a lot to go on, then, but certainly reason enough to feel optimistic for now.

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wab172uk

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1,553 posts

177 months

Friday 14th February
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Just a shame the upcoming GTI & R will have the same cheap black plastic dashboard that the rest of the range gets. And the fact everything has to go through a stupid Ipad instead of a button or dial was enough to put me off the car even before it's launched.

Jon_S_Rally

738 posts

38 months

Friday 14th February
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The DRL running across the entire width of the car would be awful, really tacky and not very Golf-like at all. Will reserve judgement until we see the real car, as this rendering may not mean a lot. A different bonnet for sporting variants seems far fetched.

GTEYE

1,533 posts

160 months

Friday 14th February
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Jon_S_Rally said:
The DRL running across the entire width of the car would be awful, really tacky and not very Golf-like at all. Will reserve judgement until we see the real car, as this rendering may not mean a lot. A different bonnet for sporting variants seems far fetched.
The bonnet isn't different from the cooking versions. I would guess that it won't be a full width DRL, but a chrome strip - that would fit with the current GTD and would allow the GTI to be in red.

Deep Thought

24,438 posts

147 months

Friday 14th February
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Seems out of step with where the market is moving....

Augustus Windsock

1,920 posts

105 months

Friday 14th February
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Can’t say my current-model Octy estate is a looker but this appears to be even worse to me (albeit the sneak look we have isn’t very revealing)
And personally I prefer a button to press or turn rather than the fad for ipad-like screens; the latter nearly always require me to look down at them to ensure the correct part of the screen is pressed rather than the ease with which a button can be found and fangled with

Helicopter123

7,063 posts

106 months

Friday 14th February
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Seems a little strange that manufacturers are still investing into diesel technology but I guess there must still be a market for it.

Always liked, but never owned, the GTD. I get it, but why would you choose one over a GTi?

Deep Thought

24,438 posts

147 months

Friday 14th February
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Helicopter123 said:
Seems a little strange that manufacturers are still investing into diesel technology but I guess there must still be a market for it.

Always liked, but never owned, the GTD. I get it, but why would you choose one over a GTi?
Cheaper, significantly more economical, i guess.

Alfa Pete

167 posts

176 months

Friday 14th February
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Helicopter123 said:
Seems a little strange that manufacturers are still investing into diesel technology but I guess there must still be a market for it.

Always liked, but never owned, the GTD. I get it, but why would you choose one over a GTi?
I had a GTD. Brilliant car. I was doing 30k miles a year so a GTI wasn’t viable and I liked the effortless motorway cruising ability of the GTD.

J4CKO

29,310 posts

150 months

Friday 14th February
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Deep Thought said:
Seems out of step with where the market is moving....
There is obviously a market for the diesel Golf still there though, I have to say that though they are regarded with disdain on here I have to say they are really pretty good at what they do.

Another few years of diesel Golfs, when that dissapears from the price lists, things really have swung away from diesel.

rxe

3,027 posts

53 months

Friday 14th February
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Deep Thought said:
Cheaper, significantly more economical, i guess.
Absolutely - double the mpg on the motorway, and quite frankly no difference in noise/vibration at motorway speeds.

If you’re doing 30k miles a year, the only sensible answer is diesel. I’m doing about 25k a year, and have the choice of petrol or diesel - if I take the petrol I’m filling up once a week, sometimes once every 4 days. Diesel - just under once a fortnight.

IMO diesels will be around a lot longer than petrols - there is an edge case there (and a lucrative one at that) that neither petrol or EV can fill.

MrGTI6

1,504 posts

80 months

Friday 14th February
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I'd like to see an AWD Golf R TDI with the 240bhp 2.0BiTDI engine from the Passat/Tiguan.

jason61c

3,358 posts

124 months

Friday 14th February
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Helicopter123 said:
Seems a little strange that manufacturers are still investing into diesel technology but I guess there must still be a market for it.

Always liked, but never owned, the GTD. I get it, but why would you choose one over a GTi?
as its efficient and clean. Its not that long ago petrols were the 'dirty' car. also think how far we are away from being able to support electric cars properly.

Mr Tidy

10,436 posts

77 months

Friday 14th February
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As one of the early adopters of 4 cylinder turbo-diesels and the creators of the 150bhp PD engine I've often wondered why VW didn't continue ramping up their diesel engine power outputs - and by now it's almost like the horse has already bolted!

I had a 57 plate BMW 123d with a 201bhp 2 litre turbo-diesel!

And has others have said, I'm not a fan of the looks, but maybe I'll get used to it.

Earthdweller

3,977 posts

76 months

Friday 14th February
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Mr Tidy said:
As one of the early adopters of 4 cylinder turbo-diesels and the creators of the 150bhp PD engine I've often wondered why VW didn't continue ramping up their diesel engine power outputs - and by now it's almost like the horse has already bolted!

I had a 57 plate BMW 123d with a 201bhp 2 litre turbo-diesel!

And has others have said, I'm not a fan of the looks, but maybe I'll get used to it.
I had a 150 pd .. great car, but other than a fist 127 I owned at 19, the most unreliable car I’ve ever had

I driven many 123/125d’s great little cars and I Had an X1 23d manual with I think 218bhp

smile

Jon_S_Rally

738 posts

38 months

Friday 21st February
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Thank god that silly LED strip is an option.

cuprabob

8,420 posts

164 months

Friday 21st February
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Jon_S_Rally said:
Thank god that silly LED strip is an option.
You'll see them being retro-fitted to older variants, mark my words hehe

supacool1

58 posts

129 months

Friday 21st February
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Hmmm...a bit Mercury esq from the 80's




NewUsername

393 posts

6 months

Friday 21st February
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Helicopter123 said:
Seems a little strange that manufacturers are still investing into diesel technology but I guess there must still be a market for it.

Always liked, but never owned, the GTD. I get it, but why would you choose one over a GTi?
Company car or long commute. No brainer, why would you even have to ask

Kolbenkopp

2,091 posts

101 months

Friday 21st February
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NewUsername said:
Helicopter123 said:
Seems a little strange that manufacturers are still investing into diesel technology but I guess there must still be a market for it.

Always liked, but never owned, the GTD. I get it, but why would you choose one over a GTi?
Company car or long commute. No brainer, why would you even have to ask
And they are much better for their fleet CO2 emissions which really started counting this year. Probably why there will be no fast manuals :-/.

As to who is buying these -- in the UK perhaps not that obvious as you have to do big miles. But say in France and definitely Germany, where motorway speeds are (much) higher, the fuel cost saving really becomes obvious. My GTI (7.5 P) does about 28 mpg long term average, a GTD likely a tad under 40.

And I guess there's even a new market coming up due to emission regs. The GTD will likely have significantly lower eco-Tax say in France or the Netherlands. Stuff like a regular Golf R is taxed out of reach there already... Makes sense in that regard to up the power and make it equivalent to the entry petrol cars.

diesel piston

270 posts

164 months

Friday 21st February
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MrGTI6 said:
I'd like to see an AWD Golf R TDI with the 240bhp 2.0BiTDI engine from the Passat/Tiguan.
Yeah ! woohoo

I had a new 2005 remapped Golf mk5 2.0 Gttdi 4Motion that went really well smile

Edited by diesel piston on Friday 21st February 17:57