RE: Mk4 Ford Focus RS 'highly unlikely'

RE: Mk4 Ford Focus RS 'highly unlikely'

Thursday 16th April 2020

Mk4 Ford Focus RS 'highly unlikely'

Next-gen super hatch had emissions limits to worry about - but coronavirus might have delivered the final blow



Ford’s troubles are well documented, with the American car maker’s efforts to cut costs on both sides of the Atlantic the hard evidence of its adaptation to challenging times. As part of the process, the Blue Oval is closing factories and trimming its line-up to the most profitable models, with the focus on ensuring it remains competitive through what’s fast becoming the industry’s most complicated decade yet. High volume cars like the all-electric Mustang Mach-E are vital, whereas cars like the comparably traditional Focus RS are not. The hotly anticipated next-gen super hatch has, reports will have us believe, therefore been canned.

Officially, a Ford spokesperson told PH that no future product details are being communicated at this stage, but a source has told French website Caradisiac that the European 95g/km limit for manufacturer fleets means the long-awaited successor to Ford’s 350hp five-door is no longer viable. PH has its own sources, and while none have disagreed with that verdict, it seems it’s a combination of that regulation and – surprise, surprise – coronavirus that has sealed the Mk4’s fate.


It seems plenty of Ford execs have remained fond of the idea, not least because the Focus RS arguably did just as much as the Mustang and GT supercar to inject some real desirability to the brand. So while it’s always been an uphill struggle thanks to those emissions, the project was genuinely still on the table. There was talk of hybrid power and electrifying the rear axle to help it duck under the limits, and power was supposed to surpass 400hp. But Ford’s ongoing troubles meant that even with the launch of the latest Focus having taken place two whole years ago, the RS was still on the shelf.

So, with coronavirus providing an enormous, unprecedented blow to almost all car businesses, projects that looked difficult have become nigh on impossible. We should add that with no official word from Ford, there remains a chance that another drifting hatchback could still be on the horizon. Even the most optimistic Blue Oval fan has to admit, however, that it would somewhat go against Ford’s latest, EV-focussed efforts.

Let’s not forget that Ford does still sell some pretty handy hot hatchbacks, though, affirming that it knows how to make attainable driver’s cars. The Fiesta ST is sublime and the Focus ST proved its talents by winning our group test against the likes of VW’s GTI TCR and Renault Sport’s Megane Trophy last autumn. We’ll be sad not to have another bonkers all-wheel drive offering to top them off but, realistically, not even the most astute manufacturer could have foreseen the troubles that 2020 had in store.


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anthonysjb

Original Poster:

524 posts

136 months

Thursday 16th April 2020
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Welp. Looks like my Mk7 Fiesta ST MR230 is a keeper forever then.

fantheman80

1,438 posts

49 months

Thursday 16th April 2020
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Sad if the case. I have an Fk8 but have had an RS and ST in the past was looking fwd to the new one as an option

How can the A45s and future rs3 exist under new emissions laws then...I am sure its fords finances other this as the key reason..

Bigwod

308 posts

53 months

Thursday 16th April 2020
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Looks like the Heritage focus will be the last of the Rs focus models produced to ever hit the road, was never planned that way but fitting if this is the end.

TristPerrin

135 posts

178 months

Thursday 16th April 2020
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Well that's a bit crap. I was hoping to upgrade my ST next year. None of the other super hatches really do it for me.

whp1983

1,172 posts

139 months

Thursday 16th April 2020
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Shame, always wonder how much halo cars do for general sales... I’m assuming a lot as everyone seems to have ST line, Msport, AMGline, Sline variants of everyday cars... but would they have those anyway?

Also emissions thing I find odd.... some manufacturers seem to be cancelling small fast cars but proceeding with monster engined SUVs ?!

irocfan

40,431 posts

190 months

Thursday 16th April 2020
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whp1983 said:
Also emissions thing I find odd.... some manufacturers seem to be cancelling small fast cars but proceeding with monster engined SUVs ?!
apparently it's the way they calculate the emissions - IIRC a lighter car gets disproportionately hammered (which is perverse!)

Baileyk

195 posts

64 months

Thursday 16th April 2020
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Seems a bit odd that ford can’t or won’t design and build (or purchase) an engine to meet environmental standards, yet Mercedes managed to do it with the a45 amg. Whilst the impact of the pandemic could be a reason I’d assume that design and development of the rs model would have been in the pipeline the moment the latest focus was designed.

MikeM6

5,004 posts

102 months

Thursday 16th April 2020
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irocfan said:
apparently it's the way they calculate the emissions - IIRC a lighter car gets disproportionately hammered (which is perverse!)
I also imagine that an SUV will sell loads more than a hot hatch, especially in core markets like USA and China. Allocate more emissions budget to those that sell and it makes more sense

Baldchap

7,631 posts

92 months

Thursday 16th April 2020
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Baileyk said:
Seems a bit odd that ford can’t or won’t design and build (or purchase) an engine to meet environmental standards, yet Mercedes managed to do it with the a45 amg. Whilst the impact of the pandemic could be a reason I’d assume that design and development of the rs model would have been in the pipeline the moment the latest focus was designed.
Reliability on their performance models has been questionable for a while. Can't see trying for another 100bhp helping things. This feels like a convenient excuse not to try.

Konan

1,835 posts

146 months

Thursday 16th April 2020
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whp1983 said:
Shame, always wonder how much halo cars do for general sales... I’m assuming a lot as everyone seems to have ST line, Msport, AMGline, Sline variants of everyday cars... but would they have those anyway?
It's all about the placement of those Halo cars, isn't it? About the only advertising that I KNOW has worked on me is seeing a car that you can go out and buy being chucked through muddy woodland.

Ford went nuts on the MK3 Focus by constantly feeding the press. So much so that when it was 'launched' I actually thought it'd been out for 6 months. They then went on and subsidised it into the larger YouTube channels. So there was a constant buzz, despite the actual car being somewhat of a disappointment one you'd actually been in it.

Exposure to the marque has to be worth something.

howardhughes

1,006 posts

204 months

Thursday 16th April 2020
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Well it maybe a good time for current owners to keep theirs and watch prices sky rocket in years to come.

Bigwod

308 posts

53 months

Thursday 16th April 2020
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howardhughes said:
Well it maybe a good time for current owners to keep theirs and watch prices sky rocket in years to come.
Keeping my pair

howardhughes

1,006 posts

204 months

Thursday 16th April 2020
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Bigwod said:
Keeping my pair
Very nice cool

Court_S

12,932 posts

177 months

Thursday 16th April 2020
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fantheman80 said:
Sad if the case. I have an Fk8 but have had an RS and ST in the past was looking fwd to the new one as an option

How can the A45s and future rs3 exist under new emissions laws then...I am sure its fords finances other this as the key reason..
I’m guessing the A45 and RS3 exist because the emissions target is across the range and they have hybrids and EV’s that being they’re overall average down so can still produce the halo, quick stuff.

The market seems to be changing too with fast SUV’s replacing fast hatchbacks and estates. I’d imagine that the R&D costs just aren’t worth it.

roland82

257 posts

215 months

Thursday 16th April 2020
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From what I understand the rules apply to large manufacturers, how does it impact after market tuners? Could we strangely end up in a situation like what gave us AMG and RUF? How many cars a year could Monotune upgrade for example, and would they even be allowed?

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

186 months

Thursday 16th April 2020
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As someone on another thread told me earlier, it's only a warmed over Focus anyway.

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,062 posts

98 months

Thursday 16th April 2020
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Sadly, you can understand the business logic. It's button down the hatches time in the car industry.

They could probably bring a car to market but if they haven't even started yet, it is probably 2 plus years away. Who knows what will be happening then?

They really don't need to risk the development money at the mo... Ford is in survival mode.

G.Fraser

206 posts

126 months

Thursday 16th April 2020
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It’s a real shame if this is true, and particularly annoying as, assuming the RS arrived later in the product cycle like with the Mk2 and Mk3, I probably would finally have been in a position to buy a new one! A big deal for me as I’m a big ford fan, but the timing wasn’t right for the last two. frown

I’d argue they could develop something epic with no effort. They’ve teamed up with Mountune before, as they’ve included their stage 1 upgrades on a few limited run models (Mk2 RS500, Mk3 RS heritage & Mk7 Fiesta ST200 I think?). Mountune have already got a range of power levels for Mk3 RS (375PS, 380, 400, 450 & 520!!), and its the same engine in the Mk4 ST. So they could do a Mk4 RS with the current 2.3 Ecoboost engine, and simply pick and choose a a suitable ready prepared mad power level courtesy of Mountune. Stick on some bonnet vents and big flared arches, a massive exhaust and job done! Easy peasy smile

RS styling already taken care off too, just copy the new BTCC ST:



Ford, if you’re reading this you’re quite welcome to this idea in exchange for a Mk4 RS500 down the line. Ta! wink

David87

6,656 posts

212 months

Friday 17th April 2020
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Pretty sure with every generation of Focus RS has been denied by Ford at one point or another, but this does seem a bit more likely this time around, what with everything else going on. A shame as the Mk4 Focus is really good.

Chestrockwell

2,627 posts

157 months

Friday 17th April 2020
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I’m quite shocked at this as I thought the RS was very successful with a large following.

Turns out this is a marathon and not a sprint, leave the big boy stuff to Honda, stick to your principles and you will survive