RE: Porsche offers modern infotainment for classics

RE: Porsche offers modern infotainment for classics

Thursday 23rd April

Porsche offers new infotainment for classics

Add another acronym into your glossary - Porsche Classic Communication Management



You know how it is with even the most modern of modern classic. No matter how joyous the response from a naturally aspirated engine or spellbinding the feedback from hydraulic steering, sometimes you'll be stuck on a long, tedious journey. There's only FM radio in the car, and it'll be boring. How are you going to get 6Music then?

Now there's a solution, or at least there is from Porsche, for Porsches. Called Porsche Classic Communication Management, it brings all the tech we've come to expect from a modern car - DAB+, CarPlay, Bluetooth - into the old single-DIN format. There's a 3.5-inch touchscreen display, two rotary knobs and six buttons, so it mostly looks like an old stereo, but functions like a new one. Moreover, there is USB connectivity, aux input and an SD slot. It costs 1439.89 euros (UK prices to be confirmed), and will fit everything from a 60s 911 right up to a 993. Porsche also says that "use in earlier front- and mid-engine models is also available", as if shamed to say them; presumably that means at least the transaxle cars of 924, 944, 968 and 928.


There's more than just PCCM, however - Porsche has previously done new radio systems for old cars (this one being a hearty update of that idea) - but it has never done Porsche Classic Communication Management Plus. This is a double-din system, designed for the 996 911 and 986 Boxster. Don't forget both are rapidly approaching their respective 25th birthdays and so, yes, the Classic tag is certainly appropriate. The upgrade puts a seven-inch touchscreen in where the old media system used to be, with the design "based on the adjacent components such as air vents or push button switches"; it shouldn't jar too much with the 90s architecture, basically, in the same way that the regular PCCM is also meant to seamlessly blend in with its surroundings.

Again customers will get CarPlay, Bluetooth, DAB and so on, but also Android Auto compatibility. Both PCCM and PCCM Plus can be updated via memory card, so you'll have no excuse not to finally embark on that European road trip you've been planning. When such activities are allowed again, of course.

PCCM Plus is a little more expensive than PCCM, at 1,606 euros including tax. Perhaps when 996s and 986s were dirt cheap that would have looked like lot to invest for an infotainment upgrade; as the market wakes up to their importance, however, and you'll need Β£15k for a nice 911 and approaching Β£10k for a decent Boxster S, it makes a lot more sense. Best get the podcast bank topped up now...




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acme

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2,485 posts

156 months

Thursday 23rd April
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Let me be the first to say; 'how much'?!

Think I'd rather listen to the engine on an air cooled for circa £1500!

Plus Continental have been doing a DAB standard DIN for a few years which looks pretty OEM, at least on the latter 964/993's for circa £150.

hughcam

361 posts

123 months

Thursday 23rd April
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Great idea from Porsche and makes the older stuff more appealing

Police State

3,886 posts

178 months

Thursday 23rd April
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acme said:
Plus Continental have been doing a DAB standard DIN for a few years which looks pretty OEM, at least on the latter 964/993's for circa £150.
Do you have a Model/Ref No for the unit you are talking about?


TyrannosauRoss Lex

25,741 posts

170 months

Thursday 23rd April
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I installed something similar to my LS460 for a LOT less. A unit made by a company called GROM Audio.

Output Flange

16,371 posts

169 months

Thursday 23rd April
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Tip of the hat to Porsche for supporting the owners of their back catalogue.

Krikkit

19,494 posts

139 months

Thursday 23rd April
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€1439.89 for the PCCM - good grief.

acme

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2,485 posts

156 months

Thursday 23rd April
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Police State said:
Do you have a Model/Ref No for the unit you are talking about?
Yep, CDD7418 - if you go onto 911UK it's been talked about various times over the years - I have one in my 993. Only issue is dash cameras interfere with the DAB signal, and inevitably you need to put the DAB aerial somewhere. With the orange it looks very OEM.

ToreB on the forum use to sell them.

m444ttb

3,113 posts

187 months

Thursday 23rd April
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I started a topic on this in the 911 sub-forum about a week ago. It wasn't clear at that point whether it was new, wasn't available in the UK, or something else entirely. Once my local Porsche centre is open again I'm planning to get the PCCM+ as my PCM1 is next to useless now.

Scrump

10,539 posts

116 months

Thursday 23rd April
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I would really like to have the PCCM plus in my 996 to replace the PCM1.
The price is too steep though so I will stick with my 'retro' satnav and continue to play my '80s cassettes. cool

fioravanti

23 posts

101 months

Thursday 23rd April
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Very impressive Porsche. Pretty expensive, but hard to argue with that double-din setup - I'd have one. The single-DIN is less successful. I think the Blaupunkt Bremen SQR46 is far more successful, mind you it is lacking some of the features of the Porsche unit.

An alternative for the 996/986 is the Becker Grandprix - I had one back in the day, beautiful headunit. MP3 and really decent BT (voice only). Could do with some amplification, but a handsome unit. You can add an Aux input. You'll find them for £250 on ebay.

The best ever retro implementation for the earlier cars has to be the Becker 7942 Mexico Retro - that was a single din unit with rudimenatry NAV, and was €1,500 back in 2006...worth every penny, and probably still fetching that 2nd hand.

ghiblicup

570 posts

172 months

Thursday 23rd April
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They should be doing this as well for the 981 and 991 that just missed out on car play. Lots of those cars still have warranty and you can't fit anything un official without voiding.

Police State

3,886 posts

178 months

Thursday 23rd April
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acme said:
Police State said:
Do you have a Model/Ref No for the unit you are talking about?
Yep, CDD7418 - if you go onto 911UK it's been talked about various times over the years - I have one in my 993. Only issue is dash cameras interfere with the DAB signal, and inevitably you need to put the DAB aerial somewhere. With the orange it looks very OEM.

ToreB on the forum use to sell them.
Thanks for that. I don't have a dashcam in my 993, but is something I should consider; is your dashcam WiFi? hence the interference with dab, or is it another issue?

spanner385

21 posts

59 months

Thursday 23rd April
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Expensive but if you're very attached to your 996 Turbo (what a great car), it seems a great way to make it that much more usable.


vagmag

34 posts

119 months

Thursday 23rd April
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What about us with 997s ??

Gaspard_M

1 posts

6 months

Thursday 23rd April
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Do you know If an update will be available for the previous generation of the Porsche Classic Communication Management. I miss Apple CarPlay

Robert-nszl1

401 posts

46 months

Thursday 23rd April
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vagmag said:
What about us with 997s ??
+1!!!!!

Ahonen

4,574 posts

237 months

Thursday 23rd April
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fioravanti said:
I think the Blaupunkt Bremen SQR46 is far more successful, mind you it is lacking some of the features of the Porsche unit.
That Bremen looks spot on.

I wince at the prospect of buying a head unit for a good 10% of the value of my 996 though, as good as the Porsche one may be. The speakers will still be rubbish, after all.

All I fitted was a Pure Highway DAB adaptor, which plugs into the CD changer socket in the back of the original radio so uses the Aux as the source. Then I have a 3.5mm jack in the little cubby below the head unit so I can plug a music player in instead of the DAB adaptor. It works perfectly well. My next upgrade will be the speakers, no question.

acme

Original Poster:

2,485 posts

156 months

Thursday 23rd April
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Police State said:
Thanks for that. I don't have a dashcam in my 993, but is something I should consider; is your dashcam WiFi? hence the interference with dab, or is it another issue?
No problem. No it's wired, I have the same camera in another two cars (with built in DAB) and it's fine. I've tried various cameras and they all impact it, I think it's do with the charging via the cigarette lighter, but it also had problems when I bought a hardwire kit which plugged into the ODB.

A pain as before fitting the camera it worked really well.

browngt3

1,126 posts

169 months

Thursday 23rd April
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For me part of the appeal of the classics is an escape from all this tech. It's so refreshing to not be told I've forgotten my mobile when I leave my car! Or to be pinged emails when you're supposed to be concentrating on driving. There's screens and apps everywhere in life. Don't need them in my air cooled 911.
Spend it on maintenance instead smile

Shakermaker

11,313 posts

58 months

Thursday 23rd April
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It seems like a lot, but its an equivalent price for a new unit for a modern car anyway - The cost for the stereo/nav unit in my Skoda is nearly £2,000 for a new one from the parts desk, and that doesn't have Car Play/Android built in (needless to say, I went elsewhere)